[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: al mitt <almitt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:27:42 -0500
Message-ID: <1A02E13CA13B45429BB8E6F5C98D4474_at_StarmanPC>

Hi Shawn,

One other thing that might be done is to go back and find some handwritten
papers that Lapaz wrote and compare those as another source. There has to be
an archive of letters from him, if he didn't type out letters or have that
done. I know your convienced of the authenticity of the book's signiture.

I personally would contact a handwriting expert If I had any question and
get an opinion there. It would put to rest any questions (if you have any)
and could be used as a pedigree source to sell the book in the future.

I know that there are some fake Nininger signitures in books he wrote but
that is an attempt for who ever signed them like Nininger to get more for
the book or books they were selling. I believe Mike has commented about that
in the past. All my best and this has been an interesting discussion and I
have learn some things.

--AL Mitterling


----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
To: <almitt2 at localnet.com>; <bobl at peaktopeak.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteors,by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished
in 1925


Hi Bob, AL, and Listers :)

Thank you for your comments on this topic. The book that is in question has
been posted on the Internet by a gentlemen that married Dr LaPaz daughter.
He is handling Dr LaPaz estate and in 2001 found over 500g of Norton County
meteorite in Dr LaPaz basement which 320g was taped by Dr LaPaz in fear of
the fragment fracturing( I have 3 images that he sent me and if anyone wants
to see the images I can email them to you if you like). Last month I had
purchased 2.3s fragment with photo copy's of new paper clippings and a photo
copy of a hand written letter from Dr LaPaz. Also the individual had told me
about the book he uploaded to the Internet and from the email he sent me he
stated Dr LaPaz would sign his name in his book. Signing your name on
something you own and doing a signature for a book sign are two different
things. One is lose and the other is tight. Now its funny Mike hasn't stated
where he got the book from with the signature.The book
 that is listed on the Internet is from Dr LaPaz's personal library
collection, making that book from the main source. Also when you look at the
signature and the signing there are a few similarities between the two. Here
is a link to the signature and the signing by Dr LaPaz.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/48262799 at N03/4422192244/

Take a look at the 2 L's and take a look at where the L curves. At each
instance with both L's the curves are similar with their curves. This can be
further seen with the P's on the top of the P, the arch lines up perfectly
on the upward angle which that angle is also indicative with the L angles as
well. When looking at the bottom of the P's they both point at an inward
angle. Also notice the relation of where the P's start to the relation of
P's arch. In both P's one can notice that the proportions are congruent.
Another observation I pointed out that I think is damning is look at the P
in the left corner and do you notice at the end of the P how it arches up?
Now take a look at the signature and look at the end of the P and see the
arches and almost closes cause its a signature.

Now I would like to move to the A's. In both hand writing samples I cant pen
point any similarities between the two on how they are written in style. But
I did notice a pattern between the two on how they're written. Now take a
look at both A's from the samples. Notice that the A's in La are different
in respects to the A's in Paz. That pattern is suggestive in both writing
samples where you see that one A are different to one another.

Lets move on to the Z. This one was a hard one but after writing to you and
having a nights rests I noticed the shapes are similar. One is tight and the
other is vary loose. Where the z intersects the distance at the intersection
point is similar in respects to proportion.

Now what you two , I mean three are saying, if a women wrote in the book
that is listed on the internet
http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp

why are there alot of similarities between the two examples of writings? I
would find it very odd that there would be any similarities at all. Now lets
say that the signature is from a book signing that Mike personal went to and
got the signature from Dr LaPaz, I would feel that Mikes signature would
validate as a good source and would confirm that the two samples have
similarities. And if it wasn't signed in front of Mike the signature as an
example could be in question. But again, Mike is an expert in historical
books and signatures, so I would have to agree with you Bob and Al that the
signature Mike provided is by Dr LaPaz. In turn we can take that example
listed by Mike and compare and it to the signed name by Dr LaPaz in the
other book see some good similarities in the two writing styles.

Thank you
Shawn Alan


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Hi Bob,

Haven't had time to chime in on this but wanted to. I agree with your
statements. Especially in regard to Mike Jensen's knowledge on the
subject of meteorite books and signitures. He would be the first person
I would contact If I wondered about something in a meteorite book and
is a super knowledgable guy.

While he was being humble by saying he isn't an absolute expert, an
expert is someone who knows more than the typical person on a subject
and I would say that Mike is an expert as he has been dealing in books
for a long long time.

--AL Mitterling
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