[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925

From: Shawn Alan <photophlow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 16:46:23 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <386616.90610.qm_at_web113611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Mike and List,

Hi Mike you keep referring to a signature and that it doesn't match up to yours. But I haven't seen this "signature", why haven't you provided a link to quote un quote the signature in your book? You had also stated " I don't believe just because you knew LaPaz that makes one an expert in recognizing his signature." Ok I am confused, you just said if this person knew Dr LaPaz that doesn't make him an expert in recognizing his signature but what makes you an expert? Did you work with him personal, did you marry his daughter, do you have control over his estate, are you family with? Dr LaPaz? The individual that posted the images of the book married Dr LaPaz daughter. Hes in control of Dr LaPaz estate, not to mention hes family and has worked with him. I think that makes this individual an expert don't you think?

As from a historical stand point I can see the significance can be important from that this book was used personally by Dr LaPaz. Not only is it signed by him it also has notations of mathematical formulas by him. True there is more of a market for Nininger, but again it depends on which market your referring to. On an academic/scientific level I would feel that this book would be great significance. Now about your book where did you get it? Lastly, another thing to remember, signing your name in a book and doing a signature for some fan can hold different signatures??



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Shawn Alan




[meteorite-list] Meteors, by C. P. Oliver an original copy pubished in 1925
Mike Jensen meteoriteplaya at gmail.com
Tue Mar 9 17:46:53 EST 2010

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Hi Shawn

Well my opinion and that is all it is is based on a comparison of his
known signature and the signature that you showed me in the link are
very different. As I mentioned I have seen hundreds of books inscribed
in much the same manner as the LaPaz book especially in academic
circles.

If it is important for you to know for sure you should ask the seller
to provide you with a known signature of LaPaz. I don't believe just
because you knew LaPaz that makes one an expert in recognizing his
signature. But if you are happy with the signature then we can end our
conversation. I just know if I were selling the book I would not be
selling it as inscribed by LaPaz. I would mention the marks and the
possible link to LaPaz but nothing more than that.

As to the collectiblility based on my over 15 years buying and selling
books meteorite books no one has ever asked me for a meteorite book
signed by anyone but Nininger. Don't forget this book is not even a
book that was authored by him it was just in his library.

If I understand your original question you were interested in its
historical value/interest to the general population of meteorite
historians. So for you it is highly collectible but to most people it
has little additional interest.


Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
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On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello Mike and List,

>

> Mike, I had made a comment or if you will an observation of The Meteors book by C.P. Oliver, an original copy published in 1925, from Dr. LaPaz personal library/estate that has notations and been signed by Dr LaPaz last night. Here is a link to the book

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> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281414_E7khp

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> Mike you had said as quoted

>

> "The book has not been signed by LaPaz but someone has just put his name in it. For some

> reason it was and I believe still is a common practice to have a

> grad

>

> student or possibly a secretary do this.... I do consider myself somewhat of a "meteorite historian""

>

> But I have to disagree with you and I would have to say the book was signed by Dr LaPaz and the notation marks are by him as well in the book. The ind individual that posted the images knew Dr LaPaz very well and married one of Dr LaPaz daughters, I guess this makes the individual family. This is what he had said,

>

> Hi

> Shawn:

>

>

> Dr. LaPaz

> often wrote his name in a book as

> soon

> as he received it. That is his writing "LaPaz") on the inside

> front cover of Meteors. All notations in the book (I think

> they

> are all in red ink) are his.

>

>

> From a hitorian perspective I think the collectabilty of this book is great for a couple reasons. The book comes from Dr LaPaz estate, there are notations made by Dr LaPaz, and that Dr LaPaz signed the book. Also not to mention the book is the first edition, printed from 1925. To own or view something of that nature would be great :)

>

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> Shawn Alan

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> Mike Jensen meteoriteplaya at gmail.com

> Tue Mar 9 10:00:35 EST 2010

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> Hi Shawn

>

> I have a couple of comments about the book. The book has not been

> signed by LaPaz but someone has just put his name in it. For some

> reason it was and I believe still is a common practice to have a grad

> student or possibly a secretary do this. I have several examples of

> this in my library. I also have one I believe genuine copy of a signed

> book of his in my library. The book is Space Nomads.

> As for the interest in the book I have three words Nininger, Nininger,

> Nininger. In other words most other signed books seem to have little

> additional value either monetarily or historically if they are signed.

> I do consider myself somewhat of a "meteorite historian" and know

> there are several other amateurs out there as well. So I do appreciate

> the types of items that fall into this category there just are not a

> significant amount of others that find them important enough to

> collect.

> As for the University of New Mexico my guess is they would not be too

> interested in the book as they have limited funds and limited space.

> Though as I mentioned it would only be a guess.

>

> Mike

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> Mike Jensen Meteorites

> 16730 E Ada PL

> Aurora, CO 80017-3137

> USA

> 720-949-6220

> IMCA 4264

> website: www.jensenmeteorites.com

>

> On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:

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>> Hello Lister,

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>> Here is something I found on the Internet about the book called Meteors by C. P. Oliver , published in 1925, which was highly regarded in the early days of the study of meteors and meteorites. Here is a link

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>> http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/11388383_xtf3A#800281843_WPKqj

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>> to an original copy printed in 1925, from Lincoln LaPaz personal library, which has also been autographed by Dr LaPaz. For those who don't know, Dr LaPaz was the founder of the Institute of Meteoritics at the University of New Mexico. Within the book there are several pages with notation marks made by Dr LaPaz and autographed by him.

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>> Now would this book have any historical significance to meteorite historians or the University of New Mexico? Does something of this nature come up often in the meteorite market and is there a collectiblity for items like this for collecters or institutions?

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>> Shawn Alan

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