[meteorite-list] Request > Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:04:07 -0500
Message-ID: <20100309170407.4W1YX.1050766.imail_at_fed1rmwml28>

Greg,
 I'm not saying they are useless. I am just saying for scientific knowledge they are not all that important.
I'm just saying that I don't like having my new find classification held up because I don't want to share co-ords at this time. that's all. Although depending on who you are you may be able to get it done without co-ords. If you are say, someone named Jack and your son works at U of A Planetary sciences perhaps? Nothing personal here but as always it's who you know I guess. sorry.
And by the way. I don't remember where I found that
beautiful blood red ruby. Why do you ask? If I happen to remember, you will be the first to know. NOT!

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> What if the Brenham meteorite never was documented.? Perhaps Steve Arnold would have never found his huge meteorite a few years back.? Never developed his searching technique and thus perhaps no "Meteorite Men."
> 
> Just imagine if a friend came home and showed you a beautiful blood red ruby (gem quality) the size of a baseball, and you asked "where did you find that?" and he replied "I don't know."
> 
> The more all work together, the more we all benefit and our children benefit.
> 
> Greg S.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:33:32 -0500
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net
> > To: meteoritefinder at yahoo.com; jgrossman at usgs.gov
> > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Request> Glorieta Mountain strewnfield map
> >
> > Robert,
> > I couldn't agree with you more here about Jeff.
> > He is in my opinion THE most important person on this list. period. Not because I agree with him all of the time but because he always has THE RIGHT THING TO SAY. Which puts him head and shoulders above most of us and especially above me.
> > Having said that. I don't yet understand why people put so much importance on find co-ords and strewnfields. It has not only been pointed out by another important list member that "A meteorite does not care where it lands". (Ted Bunch). But to add to that I personally don't see where it will ever matter all that much. I mean it has been pointed out that;
> > 1). These rocks move around and therefore do not tell us anything about where they landed. The wind , water, flood, erosion. What ever the reason these things move around.
> > 2). They are not a geological formation. They land totally randomly. This is therefore trivial information ( of very little value).
> > 3). Larger material falls farthest? Yes, and littler one ride piggy back with the big ones which skews the pattern and we may never know it because The bigger ones may bury themselves never to be found. So, what have we learned from something never found?
> > 4). How much more can we expect to learn from strewnfields? Ask any third grader to show you what rocks do when they fall from any angle.
> > 5). This is really very simple stuff. The science is in the rest of the knowledge we can gain. Let this co-ords and strewnfield crap go and things will get a lot simpler.
> > 6). This will eliminate the need for certain laws. Nobody will care where it landed and therefore less court battles over something that wouldn't exist if not for an informed finder anyway.
> > 7). Did I mention beating a dead horse?
> > 8). I am sure I did not think of all the bad reasons for mapping here . Give me time.
> > 9). I understand in the past we needed data on this but we are past the invention of the wheel. Time to move forward.
> > But Jeff, other than that we all love you. Well at least like you a bunch.
> > Carl
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> > ---- Robert Woolard  wrote:
> >> Jeff,
> >>
> >> You wrote in part:
> >> "A good policy would continue to reward those
> >>> who find these objects on behalf of the people, but also
> >>> prevent the loss of scientific information and significant
> >>> specimens.
> >>>
> >>> The question becomes, how can a reasonable regulation and
> >>> permitting process be created? I'll discuss this with
> >>> my colleagues in DOI and the SI, and perhaps groups like the
> >>> IMCA can help lobby for this as well. I think it is
> >>> quite achievable."
> >>
> >>
> >> THANK you so much for your very intelligent and logical input. You are exactly the kind of "scientist/human being" ;-) we need! We are lucky to have someone like you as a member of The List. I'm sure we all greatly appreciate your willingness to help in this matter.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Robert Woolard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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