[meteorite-list] Fw: "Who is Dr. LaPaz"

From: R N Hartman <rhartman04_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:44:36 -0800
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----- Original Message -----
From: "R N Hartman" <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
To: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]"Who is Dr. LaPaz"


> Hello Shawn,
>
> I would think it might go for about $16,000, (based on what I see smaller
> pieces are selling for) but only because there isn't any to speak of on
> the market. There's plenty of it locked up in the U of NMex archives. I
> wouldn't necessarily say museum quality, only larger, and scientific
> institutions can always cnegotiate with U of NMex if they want some. The
> only source I see is on Mike Farmer's website. He has some very nice
> pieces for sale.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at yahoo.com>
> To: <rhartman04 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:27 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list]"Who is Dr. LaPaz"
>
>
> Ron and Listers,
>
> Ron that is a great account you had with Dr LaPaz and the Norton County
> meteorite. I don't know what I would have done, but to be able to witness
> something of that nature by Dr LaPaz is something in its self and glad you
> were able to share your experience with other meteorite enthusiasts and
> collectors on the List. Thank you for that and also would like to thank
> the others that had offered up links and information on Dr. LaPaz.
>
> Now I have another question that pertains to the Norton County meteorite.
> From what I can tell NC fragments being sold on eBay range in the size of
> .2g and that is being generous with that statement. On the other hand I
> see some dealers that have some fragments at about 30g or less. I have
> read that majority if not all the NC large meteorite fragments are with
> New Mexico University and on the open market the sizes of NC meteorite are
> small. I wonder how much a 320g NC meteorite fragment would go for on the
> open market? In my eyes a fragment at that size would be Museum quality.
> Would it be best to be sold to the highest bidder or sold to scientific
> institutions? And if this 320g NC meteorite fragments chain of custody
> came from Dr. LaPaz private collection that wasn't sold off to NMU I
> wonder if that would add more value to the meteorite.
>
>
>
> Shawn Alan
>
>
>
> [meteorite-list] Fw: "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
> R N Hartman rhartman04 at earthlink.net
> Wed Mar 3 01:41:02 EST 2010
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> From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net
> To: sciencegraphics at msn.com
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 01:11:00 -0800
>
>
>
>> > Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County
>
>> > Meteorite
>
>> > when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site.
>
>
> Not another museum head, but, rather, Dr. Frederick C. Leonard.
>
> BTW: Richard and I visited LaPaz at the U of New Mexico , probably 1963 or
> about, and he showed us the main mass of Norton County, which resided
> under
> a plastic hemisphere to protect it from visitors. He proudly opened
> drawers
> containing probably hundreds of small pieces, some of rather substantial
> size, and a cardboard box of about a cubic foot filled with very little
> pieces, a cm. or so each in volume. He picked one out and held it between
> his fingers, Naturally we were drooling over the possibility of him giving
> each of us one of these little "souvenirs". Instead, he pulverized it and
> let the dust fall to the floor, stating "Notice how friable this is!"
>
> We were told that "Lincoln has his eccentricities!"
>
> Ron Hartman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dorothy Norton
> To: rhartman04 at earthlink.net
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:49 AM
> Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: darryl at dof3.com
>
>> To: almitt at kconline.com
>
>> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:53:00 -0500
>
>> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; photophlow at yahoo.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> While his contributions were many, I understand LaPaz's egotistical,
>
>> toxic personality is well documented---including his enmity for
>
>> Nininger.
>
>>
>
>> Best/ Darryl
>
>>
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>>
>
>>
>
>> On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:57 AM, al mitt wrote:
>
>>
>
>> > Hi Shawn and all,
>
>> >
>
>> > I am sure that some people will disagree with my assessment of
>
>> > LaPaz, but he
>
>> > organized the collection at the UNM in Albuquerque, New Mexico and
>
>> > seem to
>
>> > want to discredit Dr. Nininger every chance he got. While he did
>
>> > contribute
>
>> > some to the understanding of meteorites he was no giant in the field
>
>> > and
>
>> > didn't contribute as much as Nininger was by any means.
>
>> >
>
>> > A lot of his fame is the Norton County Meteorite that he outbid
>
>> > Nininger on.
>
>> > Nininger was standing on top of the main mass of the Norton County
>
>> > Meteorite
>
>> > when LaPaz and another museum head came onto the site. My
>
>> > understanding that
>
>> > Nininger used some of LaPaz's information to triangulate the fall
>
>> > but it
>
>> > takes more than one set of observations for this.
>
>> >
>
>> > He help organize the Meteortic's Society with Nininger but later
>
>> > tried to
>
>> > get Dr. Nininger thrown out of the society. I believe that Nininger
>
>> > resigned. He did spend a great deal of time trying to make Nininger
>
>> > look
>
>> > bad. The two were obvious rivials but not in a healthy sense. Probably
>
>> > because Harvey Nininger was making his living finding and selling
>
>> > meteorites
>
>> > in order to fund his hunts and research. BTW Harvey made attempts to
>
>> > get the
>
>> > scientists and museums of that time to fund his program in order to
>
>> > add to
>
>> > their collections but no one thought it would work except Farrington.
>
>> > Farrington was older and had health problems but wished he could
>
>> > help in
>
>> > Nininger's pursuit.
>
>> >
>
>> > LaPaz was also a hypocrite who frowned on anyone collecting
>
>> > meteorites but
>
>> > after his death a sizeable collection was found in his basement, he
>
>> > was an
>
>> > obvious closet collector. While he didn't help Nininger out, I have
>
>> > always
>
>> > felt that he might have been one of Nininger's inspirations to keep
>
>> > going
>
>> > and not letting anyone get in his way. Same with no one wanting to
>
>> > give
>
>> > Nininger a grant or position at any of the main museums or scientific
>
>> > institutions of that time. It might have drove Nininger to work
>
>> > harder in
>
>> > order to get it done.
>
>> >
>
>> > --AL Mitterling
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn Alan" <photophlow at
>> > yahoo.com>
>
>> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:26 AM
>
>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Who is Dr. LaPaz"
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> > Hello Listers,
>
>> >
>
>> > Its been a crazy day in NYC today with the snow and slush but all
>
>> > has melted
>
>> > and I received a package in the mail today of a Norton County
>
>> > meteorite,
>
>> > weighing at 2.33g from Dr LaPaz collection. Within the package, I also
>
>> > received copies of news paper clippings From the Norton Daily
>
>> > Telegram,
>
>> > dated May 1, 1948 from the meteorite fall, and Dr LaPaz comes up in
>
>> > every
>
>> > article. In one of the clippings there is a photograph of him
>
>> > standing by
>
>> > the meteorite being lifted out of the ground. I haven't read
>
>> > anything about
>
>> > Dr LaPaz till a week ago and was wondering what significance had he
>
>> > had in
>
>> > the meteorite community? I also Wiki him and from what I saw on
>
>> > Wiki, Dr
>
>> > LaPaz was smart guy and got his PhD at a young age. Lastly, along
>
>> > with the
>
>> > meteorite specimens I also received a trinitite fragment weighing at
>
>> > 1.79g
>
>> > that he had collected from the Trinity project and was wondering if
>
>> > people
>
>> > on the list knew much about this stuff.
>
>> >
>
>> > Shawn Alan
>
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