[meteorite-list] real jobs

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:52:26 -0400
Message-ID: <AANLkTilCvR9Oax4Hs5QnIVAku-9zh-DqJXEh9UEcgvgW_at_mail.gmail.com>

"They could always claim ignorance though."

Ignorance of the law is not a viable defense in court.

Plus, I couldn't imagine selling something I am ignorant of. Step one
in being a business person is to know your wares. I wouldn't trust a
single thing in that shop.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 6/24/10, Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> Seems very interesting so many in this small meteorite world have had
> experiences with them. Road trap. Don't bother shopping there unless you
> know what you're doing and can wheel and deal. Even then I'd warn
> against it. A note on the Stewart's "iron" meteorites. So far I've heard
> people on list mention them being Campos, Canyons and Nantans. When I
> stopped by there some 3 years ago they were NWA irons according to Mrs.
> Stewart. I would say the only way to really tell for sure is to buy
> them, get a receipt from the Stewart's saying what they are, then get
> the meteorites analyzed. If they're Campos or Canyons it seems rather
> obvious they're pulling one over on people. They could always claim
> ignorance though.
>
> I've seen and photographed the irons there, knowing what I know about
> meteorites now, I would say they aren't Canyons due to their rounder
> blob like shape, not sharp edged like the CD irons. Perhaps they are
> Campos, but even that is hard to believe, since Campos that size are
> usually more regmaglypted. I've seen larger Nantans as well, and the
> irons at the Stewart's tourist shop, look like Nantan irons. I think I
> was also told they were purchased at the Denver show...? Could be wrong
> on that point though.
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/24/2010 6:46 PM, Jason Utas wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> We were almost suckered in by them as well. Back when we were
>> relatively new to meteorites (about ten years ago) we took a road trip
>> across the Southwest and stopped by their store. We picked up a pair
>> of what we thought were spectacular Canyon Diablos. We have
>> photographs of the irons - both of which are painfully obvious
>> specimens of 'new Campos.'
>>
>> In fact, each of them had those white numbers painted on them that all
>> Campos used to have, denoting their weight in kilograms. The owner of
>> the shop (we presumed to be Stewart) claimed to have found the
>> meteorites on his property, at a distance from the crater that made
>> his claims seem improbable to us at the time.
>> If you find the location of his shop/land on Google Earth...he's
>> closer to Holbrook than Meteor Crater.
>>
>> So, knowing what I do now, I feel safe in saying that he hasn't found
>> *any* meteorites on his land (well, no Canyon Diablos). And yes, I
>> know - it's common practice to poach Canyon Diablos off of ranch land
>> near the crater - but none of his irons looks like Canyon Diablo.
>>
>> He was also trying to sell small fragments of iron shale as Holbrook
>> meteorites...that much I could tell, given my experience at the time.
>>
>> Well, we paid for our irons with a personal check, on the condition
>> that we could return them the next day if we so chose, because Peter
>> had some reservations about the provenance of the irons.
>>
>> All I can say is that I wouldn't make the same mistake today.
>>
>> Needless to say, we returned the irons and got our check back, much to
>> my younger self's disappointment.
>>
>> And while we were there, a fellow who said he worked at...either ASU
>> or the UofAz, I forget...stopped by and said that he might be
>> interested in buying some of the irons for their collection. I can't
>> help but wonder if *he* got cheated by them.
>>
>> Someone should buy one and put a stop to his crap - look at the irons
>> he's selling. Obviously Campos or Nantans, though I can't tell which
>> from the photos.
>>
>> It's a disgrace.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> If they tried to scam once, they will probably do it again. They are
>>> probably selling misrepresented meteorites right now while we are
>>> sitting here talking about it. It's a shame that someone might stop
>>> there, buy a meteorite, and not get what they paid for. And if they
>>> find out later that they were scammed, it might leave a bad taste in
>>> their mouth about meteorites (or meteorite people) in general.
>>>
>>> I think law enforcement should be notified. But I am two thousand
>>> miles away with no way to purchase from them - unless they sell via
>>> the web or eBay.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/24/10, Mike Miller<meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok I traded for one (I think it was about 100 pounds) that in my
>>>> opinion was actually a Campo it was presented to me as a Toluca. The
>>>> deal was reversed in the end so my merchandise was returned to me at
>>>> the cost of not being able to ever do business with "the meteorite
>>>> store" ever ever again. Their position at the time was that no one
>>>> could really know for sure which iron was which so theirs was what
>>>> they said it was, and no one could really be sure other wise. Again I
>>>> will admit that in the past I had purchased and traded meteorites from
>>>> this same place that were authentic, I even sold actually Canyon
>>>> Diablo meteorites to the same people.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oops, maybe that came out wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant to say your assumption of what happened was exactly right. Not
>>>>> that I am so well versed in meteoritics - that assumption was a little
>>>>> much. Hope that makes sense...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the nice compliment - but you give me more credit than I
>>>>>> deserve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, you have it exactly right. I just clarified by saying I
>>>>>> didn't buy - therefore I can't technically say he sold mislabels
>>>>>> Campo's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
>>>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Ruben,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I misunderstood. When you said that you and Mike tried to buy their
>>>>>>> Diablos and they turned out to be Campos (and their Tolucas also), I
>>>>>>> just assumed that they tried to hoodwink you - which would be futile
>>>>>>> since you have forgotten more about meteorites than many people will
>>>>>>> ever learn. I pictured some person presenting a Campo with a Diablo
>>>>>>> label on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MikeG
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/24/10, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't say he sold his very expensive Campo's labeled as Canyon
>>>>>>>> Diablo's. For all I know he has never sold a mislabeled specimen. I
>>>>>>>> didn't buy one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
>>>>>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Selling misrepresented meteorites is illegal. Has anyone decided
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> pursue fraud charges against them?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MikeG
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/24/10, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The place on I-40 is called "Stewart's"
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.meteoritesco.com/
>>>>>>>>>> In 1998, as I recall they did have Canyon Diablos as well as other
>>>>>>>>>> irons. However, more recently the meteorites are all Campo's and
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> the names have changed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have lots of experience with irons it is often very easy to
>>>>>>>>>> tell the difference without cutting. Although I don't think I
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> describe how to do so in words.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stewart was the original owner but was later sold to an African
>>>>>>>>>> American couple. They now sell everything from meteorites to
>>>>>>>>>> ostriches!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Greg Stanley
>>>>>>>>>> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ron and List:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not all, but most. I remember one large one 20 lbs or so, it was
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> nice.
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the sign was yellow and had a shooting star painted on
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> There was a women running it and I think she was
>>>>>>>>>>> African-American. I
>>>>>>>>>>> remember her telling me to put a magnet on a stick and search-
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>> gave me a magnet. She also gave me a small piece of this
>>>>>>>>>>> iron-shale
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> she said was from the crater. She even told me the area to
>>>>>>>>>>> search.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> stopped a few places but only looked a little, as I needed to get
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> CA.
>>>>>>>>>>> Again this was in 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does this sound familar?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: stanleygregr at hotmail.com; altmann at meteorite-martin.de;
>>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:51:24 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Were they all Canyon Diablos? I have heard of that place for
>>>>>>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> had students of mine who have stopped there and told me about
>>>>>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondered how they seem to always have a good supply of freshly
>>>>>>>>>>>> dug
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> Canyon
>>>>>>>>>>>> Diablos considering that hunting is illegal. I wondered whether
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> crater
>>>>>>>>>>>> staff may be quietly involved in a commercial venture.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Hartman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Stanley"
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ;
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I found a meteorite store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Hwy 40 in Arizona near Winslow. It was where I bought my
>>>>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite;
>>>>>>>>>>>> a 23 gram Canyon Diablo. It was back in 1997. I was driving to
>>>>>>>>>>>> CA
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> big "Meteorites" sign, so I pulled in and she showed me hundreds
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> meteorites.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:39:06 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm in recent times people on the list seem to be always
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> insulted...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love for it to be my full time job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's easy Joe. Just apply for a job as chief meteorite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> procurement
>>>>>>>>>>>>> operator at the museum in Perth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read in their annual report, that they want to enlarge their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reach an agreement for a probation period, based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> success.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Promise them to double the number of new meteorites in whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>>> year due acquisitions and ask for that performance a salary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> curator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or half of a professor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be afraid, the pressure to perform won't be that hard for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bring them 2 NWA-OCs per year, you know, that 25$/kg-stuff and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years or so an NWA-EUC and you'll keep your promise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence you'll work only 3 days per year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If somebody will complain, refer to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Euromet-Aussie-expedition,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs for the Millbillillies and Mundrabillas and weathered OCs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> found,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were>1000$ a gram
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and buy some Millbillillies and Mundrabillas for them from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dealers to calm them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nooo, was just a joooooke. (Euromet made also science, science
>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, how would one define a "real profession"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe if one meets with ones meteorite activities' profit after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs&taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the average U.S.-net-income per capita? (how high is it?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS: still I'm wondering, how the little chiropody shop in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survives
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the decades, but that I never found on Earth a meteorite store?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's raining goooold from the sky....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Better: it's raining CALLUS from the sky !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag
>>>>>>>>>>>>> von
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kerchner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Juni 2010 18:39
>>>>>>>>>>>>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is ur deal? If you were ever successful hunting, maybe you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> singing a different tune. I am insulted by that, I hunt in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would love for it to be my full time job, but not possible for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should think before you post next time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, aren't we about due for you to "quit" meteorites
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list for good, again? For the 15th time? It has been over a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> month
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> last "quit".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im sure im just one of many people you pissed off with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about what you say once in a while, it may be helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruben Garcia
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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