[meteorite-list] real jobs

From: Meteorites USA <eric_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:48:53 -0700
Message-ID: <4C241915.20404_at_meteoritesusa.com>

Seems very interesting so many in this small meteorite world have had
experiences with them. Road trap. Don't bother shopping there unless you
know what you're doing and can wheel and deal. Even then I'd warn
against it. A note on the Stewart's "iron" meteorites. So far I've heard
people on list mention them being Campos, Canyons and Nantans. When I
stopped by there some 3 years ago they were NWA irons according to Mrs.
Stewart. I would say the only way to really tell for sure is to buy
them, get a receipt from the Stewart's saying what they are, then get
the meteorites analyzed. If they're Campos or Canyons it seems rather
obvious they're pulling one over on people. They could always claim
ignorance though.

I've seen and photographed the irons there, knowing what I know about
meteorites now, I would say they aren't Canyons due to their rounder
blob like shape, not sharp edged like the CD irons. Perhaps they are
Campos, but even that is hard to believe, since Campos that size are
usually more regmaglypted. I've seen larger Nantans as well, and the
irons at the Stewart's tourist shop, look like Nantan irons. I think I
was also told they were purchased at the Denver show...? Could be wrong
on that point though.

Regards,
Eric





On 6/24/2010 6:46 PM, Jason Utas wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> We were almost suckered in by them as well. Back when we were
> relatively new to meteorites (about ten years ago) we took a road trip
> across the Southwest and stopped by their store. We picked up a pair
> of what we thought were spectacular Canyon Diablos. We have
> photographs of the irons - both of which are painfully obvious
> specimens of 'new Campos.'
>
> In fact, each of them had those white numbers painted on them that all
> Campos used to have, denoting their weight in kilograms. The owner of
> the shop (we presumed to be Stewart) claimed to have found the
> meteorites on his property, at a distance from the crater that made
> his claims seem improbable to us at the time.
> If you find the location of his shop/land on Google Earth...he's
> closer to Holbrook than Meteor Crater.
>
> So, knowing what I do now, I feel safe in saying that he hasn't found
> *any* meteorites on his land (well, no Canyon Diablos). And yes, I
> know - it's common practice to poach Canyon Diablos off of ranch land
> near the crater - but none of his irons looks like Canyon Diablo.
>
> He was also trying to sell small fragments of iron shale as Holbrook
> meteorites...that much I could tell, given my experience at the time.
>
> Well, we paid for our irons with a personal check, on the condition
> that we could return them the next day if we so chose, because Peter
> had some reservations about the provenance of the irons.
>
> All I can say is that I wouldn't make the same mistake today.
>
> Needless to say, we returned the irons and got our check back, much to
> my younger self's disappointment.
>
> And while we were there, a fellow who said he worked at...either ASU
> or the UofAz, I forget...stopped by and said that he might be
> interested in buying some of the irons for their collection. I can't
> help but wonder if *he* got cheated by them.
>
> Someone should buy one and put a stop to his crap - look at the irons
> he's selling. Obviously Campos or Nantans, though I can't tell which
> from the photos.
>
> It's a disgrace.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> If they tried to scam once, they will probably do it again. They are
>> probably selling misrepresented meteorites right now while we are
>> sitting here talking about it. It's a shame that someone might stop
>> there, buy a meteorite, and not get what they paid for. And if they
>> find out later that they were scammed, it might leave a bad taste in
>> their mouth about meteorites (or meteorite people) in general.
>>
>> I think law enforcement should be notified. But I am two thousand
>> miles away with no way to purchase from them - unless they sell via
>> the web or eBay.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/10, Mike Miller<meteoritefinder at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok I traded for one (I think it was about 100 pounds) that in my
>>> opinion was actually a Campo it was presented to me as a Toluca. The
>>> deal was reversed in the end so my merchandise was returned to me at
>>> the cost of not being able to ever do business with "the meteorite
>>> store" ever ever again. Their position at the time was that no one
>>> could really know for sure which iron was which so theirs was what
>>> they said it was, and no one could really be sure other wise. Again I
>>> will admit that in the past I had purchased and traded meteorites from
>>> this same place that were authentic, I even sold actually Canyon
>>> Diablo meteorites to the same people.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oops, maybe that came out wrong!
>>>>
>>>> I meant to say your assumption of what happened was exactly right. Not
>>>> that I am so well versed in meteoritics - that assumption was a little
>>>> much. Hope that makes sense...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the nice compliment - but you give me more credit than I
>>>>> deserve.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, you have it exactly right. I just clarified by saying I
>>>>> didn't buy - therefore I can't technically say he sold mislabels
>>>>> Campo's.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
>>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ruben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I misunderstood. When you said that you and Mike tried to buy their
>>>>>> Diablos and they turned out to be Campos (and their Tolucas also), I
>>>>>> just assumed that they tried to hoodwink you - which would be futile
>>>>>> since you have forgotten more about meteorites than many people will
>>>>>> ever learn. I pictured some person presenting a Campo with a Diablo
>>>>>> label on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MikeG
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/24/10, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't say he sold his very expensive Campo's labeled as Canyon
>>>>>>> Diablo's. For all I know he has never sold a mislabeled specimen. I
>>>>>>> didn't buy one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Galactic Stone& Ironworks
>>>>>>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi List,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Selling misrepresented meteorites is illegal. Has anyone decided to
>>>>>>>> pursue fraud charges against them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MikeG
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/24/10, Ruben Garcia<mrmeteorite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The place on I-40 is called "Stewart's" http://www.meteoritesco.com/
>>>>>>>>> In 1998, as I recall they did have Canyon Diablos as well as other
>>>>>>>>> irons. However, more recently the meteorites are all Campo's and only
>>>>>>>>> the names have changed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have lots of experience with irons it is often very easy to
>>>>>>>>> tell the difference without cutting. Although I don't think I could
>>>>>>>>> describe how to do so in words.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stewart was the original owner but was later sold to an African
>>>>>>>>> American couple. They now sell everything from meteorites to
>>>>>>>>> ostriches!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Greg Stanley
>>>>>>>>> <stanleygregr at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron and List:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not all, but most. I remember one large one 20 lbs or so, it was
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> nice.
>>>>>>>>>> I believe the sign was yellow and had a shooting star painted on it.
>>>>>>>>>> There was a women running it and I think she was African-American. I
>>>>>>>>>> remember her telling me to put a magnet on a stick and search- she
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> gave me a magnet. She also gave me a small piece of this iron-shale
>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>> she said was from the crater. She even told me the area to search.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> stopped a few places but only looked a little, as I needed to get to
>>>>>>>>>> CA.
>>>>>>>>>> Again this was in 1997.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does this sound familar?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From: rhartman04 at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>> To: stanleygregr at hotmail.com; altmann at meteorite-martin.de;
>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:51:24 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Greg,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Were they all Canyon Diablos? I have heard of that place for years.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> had students of mine who have stopped there and told me about it,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>> wondered how they seem to always have a good supply of freshly dug
>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> Canyon
>>>>>>>>>>> Diablos considering that hunting is illegal. I wondered whether
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> crater
>>>>>>>>>>> staff may be quietly involved in a commercial venture.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Hartman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Greg Stanley"
>>>>>>>>>>> To: ;
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:14 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found a meteorite store.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Hwy 40 in Arizona near Winslow. It was where I bought my first
>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite;
>>>>>>>>>>> a 23 gram Canyon Diablo. It was back in 1997. I was driving to CA
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> big "Meteorites" sign, so I pulled in and she showed me hundreds of
>>>>>>>>>>> meteorites.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greg S.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: altmann at meteorite-martin.de
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:39:06 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmm in recent times people on the list seem to be always somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>>> insulted...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love for it to be my full time job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's easy Joe. Just apply for a job as chief meteorite
>>>>>>>>>>>> procurement
>>>>>>>>>>>> operator at the museum in Perth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read in their annual report, that they want to enlarge their
>>>>>>>>>>>> meteorite
>>>>>>>>>>>> collection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reach an agreement for a probation period, based on your success.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Promise them to double the number of new meteorites in whole
>>>>>>>>>>>> Australia
>>>>>>>>>>>> per
>>>>>>>>>>>> year due acquisitions and ask for that performance a salary like a
>>>>>>>>>>>> curator
>>>>>>>>>>>> or half of a professor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't be afraid, the pressure to perform won't be that hard for
>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bring them 2 NWA-OCs per year, you know, that 25$/kg-stuff and
>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> years or so an NWA-EUC and you'll keep your promise.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hence you'll work only 3 days per year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If somebody will complain, refer to the Euromet-Aussie-expedition,
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs for the Millbillillies and Mundrabillas and weathered OCs
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> found,
>>>>>>>>>>>> were>1000$ a gram
>>>>>>>>>>>> and buy some Millbillillies and Mundrabillas for them from
>>>>>>>>>>>> professional
>>>>>>>>>>>> dealers to calm them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nooo, was just a joooooke. (Euromet made also science, science
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, how would one define a "real profession"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe if one meets with ones meteorite activities' profit after
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs&taxes
>>>>>>>>>>>> the average U.S.-net-income per capita? (how high is it?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> PS: still I'm wondering, how the little chiropody shop in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> street
>>>>>>>>>>>> survives
>>>>>>>>>>>> the decades, but that I never found on Earth a meteorite store?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's raining goooold from the sky....?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Better: it's raining CALLUS from the sky !!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag
>>>>>>>>>>>> von
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kerchner
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Juni 2010 18:39
>>>>>>>>>>>> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] real jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is ur deal? If you were ever successful hunting, maybe you
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> singing a different tune. I am insulted by that, I hunt in my free
>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would love for it to be my full time job, but not possible for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>> should think before you post next time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, aren't we about due for you to "quit" meteorites and
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> list for good, again? For the 15th time? It has been over a month
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> last "quit".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Im sure im just one of many people you pissed off with you latest
>>>>>>>>>>>> post.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about what you say once in a while, it may be helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>> joe
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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