[meteorite-list] New Iron (Ataxite) SHRAPNEL

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:19:49 -0700
Message-ID: <AANLkTilGkcyjYjVH6cS8X6ou9Aw-tuvWB44n-0jNcyKy_at_mail.gmail.com>

Sorry - I was thinking along the lines of devices that might be
dropped from a plane.
Well, not to call into question the obviously meteoric nature of this feature -
Apparently it would have been possible for this to have been caused by
the subterranean detonation of approximately 40,000 lbs of explosives
in the timeframe we were looking at (WW1-2) - there were two known
uses of devices capable of making craters in this size range, both of
which were used against the Germans in Europe in WW1. They consisted
of large stockpiles of mines/explosives that were planned to be left
behind/under German lines and then detonated as the enemy advanced
over or camped on them.
V2 rockets, from what I could find online, typically made craters in
the 10-20 meter range, though a few sites stated that the craters made
by them could measure up to 30m in diameter. I wasn't able to find
any actual records of craters larger than 20m in diameter, though -
not quite big enough.
It just doesn't seem that likely, ya know?
Regards,
Jason

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Steve Schoner <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:
> Jason,
>
> 40 meters is just over 120 feet. ? I think during WW2 V-2's could produce holes near that big.
>
> A nuke can produce a hole over ten times that as in this article:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare
>
> What got me going was the the term "shrapnel" and the fact that WWII was fought in North Africa.
>
> Did not read the rest of the thread.
>
> Also made a error. ?Ataxites have high Ni, not low. ? (Right-Left brain thing I suppose)
>
> But I think that there are some bomb steels that have high Ni as well.
>
> But to end my discussion with the information that everyone was very apt to send to me...
>
> NO Doubt that this is a meteorite, and a big crater.
>
> AMAZING DISCOVERY !
>
> Steve
> www.petroslides.com
> IMCA #4470
>
>
>
> From: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Iron (Ataxite) SHRAPNEL
>
>
> Hello All,
> I'd like to point out that the crater is 40 meters in diameter.
> Regardless of the now obvious meteoric nature of the fragments
> recovered, such a hole would necessitate the subterranean detonation
> of a nuclear bomb.
> I think we might have chemical explosives capable of making a crater
> that big *now*, but we certainly didn't sixty years ago; nuclear would
> have been the only way to go.
> Something to keep in mind while y'all look for craters on google earth..
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Steve Schoner
> <schoner at mybluelight.com> wrote:
>> Right, I remember something about that. There was another where a guy
>> dug up a live artillery round near Needles I think.
>>
>> But in North Africa, and North West Africa... I for one would be very
>> cautious about digging up something that is found by a metal detector.
>> All of Nothern Africa was involved in major WWII conflict.
>>
>> Here are some of the conflicts fought in North Africa:
>>
>> * Battles of Fort Capuzzo, - June, 1940 - November, 1942
>> * Italian conquest of British Somaliland, - August, 1940
>> * Operation Compass, December, 1940 - February, 1941
>> * Battle of Keren, February, 1941 - April, 1941
>> * Siege of Tobruk, April - November, 1941
>> * Operation Brevity, May, 1941
>> * Operation Skorpion, May, 1941
>> * Operation Battleaxe, June, 1941
>> * Battle of Gondar, November, 1941
>> * Operation Crusader, November - December, 1941
>> * Battle of Gazala, May - June, 1942
>> * Battle of Bir Hakeim, May - June, 1942
>> * First Battle of El Alamein, July, 1942
>> * Second Battle of El Alamein, October - November, 1942
>> * Operation Torch, November, 1942
>> * Operation Terminal
>> * Tunisia Campaign, November, 1942 - May, 1943
>> *Battle of the Kasserine Pass
>> *Battle of Sidi Bou Zid
>> *Battle of Medenine
>> *Operation Pugilist
>> * Battle of El Guettar
>> *Operation Vulcan
>>
>> Anywhere near these battlefields with a metal detector is asking for
>> instant death.
>>
>> And lastly I have seen the photos of this ataxite, and that it is, no
>> doubt. The inclusions tell all. But if anyone searches with a metal
>> detector in North Africa... Do so with caution. And if you carefully
>> dig up something that is roundish, tubular, or with a fuze... Back
>> off...
>>
>> Steve
>> www.petroslides.com
>> IMCA #4470
>
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