[meteorite-list] NWA 869

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:33:28 +0200
Message-ID: <008701cb132c$7c1e2430$6502a8c0_at_name86d88d87e2>

Folks, please stay realistic.

That what Greg and Mike mentioned with NWA 869 applies too to any Glorieta,
Sikhote-Alin, Juancheng, Pultusk, Gao-Guenie, Nuevo Mercurio, Allende, Camel
Donga, Stannern and and and and..

Or let's take better an all-American example.

The Holbrook hunter goes in the Holbrook strewnfield, he hunts for Holbrooks
for decades, he knows how they're looking like.
He finds a stone. It looks, feels, smells, sounds, tastes like Holbrook
(because it is a Holbrook).

To fulfil the standard claimed in the 869er case,
the finder would have to let make thin sections, microprobing, isotopes ect.
by an expert scientist ect.

to be allowed to call his Holbrook "Holbrook".

Theoretically possible.

Unfortunately Melanie would have then to pay for her little Holbrook-pea not
anymore 50$ but 1000$, cause the verification is so costly.

Makes not much sense.

I rather trust in the experience of the Holbrook hunter.

Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
Catterton
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Juni 2010 00:39
An: Meteorite List; Melanie Matthews
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 869

NWA 869 meteorites are very nice meteorites and there is nothing wrong with
buying or selling them if you like them. That said, they are often sold as
NWA 869 when many should be sold as "Likely paired with NWA 869" as the
established Nomcom rules state, and has been repeated on here many times.
This does not happen however and its sold as 869.

There have been several times when people have raised attention to sales of
paired martians and other meteorites that are not clearly identified as
pairings, yet no mention is made for common and less costly samples like NWA
869 and they themselves sell it as such. Due to price (in my opinion) it is
allowed to fly under the radar and nobody gets upset when NWA 869 paired
material is sold as NWA 869 while the samples have not been tested to
confirm it.

This surely happens with many others, yet NWA 869 is the most common and is
used as an example. There is tons of it, usually at less then .50 per gram.
What should be done in a perfect world, several samples out of a batch of
stones that are all likely 869 should be thin sectioned and tested. The
results compared with 869 and then pairing claimed.
The problem is, Who wants to do that for a .50 per gram meteorite? What lab
will pair NWA 869 material? Its a tough bumpy road that has many issues that
lead to the ultimate conclusion... most likely 75% or more of NWA 869 can
not/should not be called NWA 869 as per NomCom rules for official
meteorites.

While I stated I would not buy or sell in 869 material, that is only my
opinion and my choice as a collector/dealer and does not reflect or speak
for anyone else but is simply my personal feelings about the double
standards being put into place.

I will say for the record to make sure everyone understands and does not
think I am taking shots at the meteorite - Its nice material, I do have a
sample in my collection and I see nothing wrong with those that sell, own,
or collect it. Personally, I think its a fine meteorite, but I also do like
others and tell people it is thought to be paired with NWA 869 when I show
them my sample.


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Melanie Matthews <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca> wrote:

> From: Melanie Matthews <miss_meteorite at yahoo.ca>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 869
> To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 6:09 PM
> Hey listees.
>
> What is the problem with buying and selling NWA 869? or
> have i misunderstood something?
>
> Thanks
>
> -----------
> Melanie
> IMCA: 2975
> eBay: metmel2775
> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>
> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you
> never know what you're gonna get!
>
>
>
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