[meteorite-list] Hammer Question Apologies to Richard

From: Meteorites USA <eric_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:39:17 -0700
Message-ID: <4C195295.20909_at_meteoritesusa.com>

Hi Ryan,

Are you sure you're not related to Bill Kies?

Regards,
Eric



On 6/16/2010 3:32 PM, fallingfusion at wi.rr.com wrote:
> Arguing with you is not worth my time, so I did not reply back to you.
>
> Apparently, others aren't allowed to have or express their own opinion regarding "hammers". Personally, I see most of them as a simple marketing ploys by dealers like you. 10X more money for chondites when they just so happen to hit Ms. Matildas fence.
>
> Ryan
>
> Ryan
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Blood<mlblood at cox.net>
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:16:10
> To: Richard Kowalski<damoclid at yahoo.com>; Meteorite List<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>;<Fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question Apologies to Richard
>
> Hi Richard,
> My apologies - mistaken, as whoever wrote this:
>
>> On 6/16/10 1:57 PM, "fallingfusion at wi.rr.com"
>> <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I never understood the importance behind "hammer
>>>
>> stones". Not only is it a
>>
>>> stupid term that any child could come up with, but all
>>>
>> meteorites have to land
>>
>>> somewhere. Its inevitable that once in a while a home,
>>>
>> vehicle, or other man
>>
>>> made object will take a beating from one of these
>>>
>> visitors.
>>
>>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>>
> Did not "sign" his post.
> My comments were directed at the author of the above
> quote - whoever "Fallingfusion at wi.rr.com" is.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> On 6/16/10 3:01 PM, "Richard Kowalski"<damoclid at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hey Michael,
>>
>> Would you please quote my message where I said anything abut one's collecting
>> focus, regarding hammers or any other niche, as "Silly"?
>>
>> I collect, among other things and in addition to meteorites, coins and
>> currency& Daguerreotypes. I have subsets of collectibles within each group
>> that I focus on; Hard Times Tokens in Numismatics and women and girls wearing
>> off the shoulder dresses in the Daguerreotypes.
>>
>> I understand the focus of my own collecting and the desires other collectors
>> have in these fields and throughout the wide range of collectibles overlap and
>> diverge. If you want to collect matchbooks, matchbooks from the 1940s,
>> matchbooks from nightclubs in a specific city, I have no problem with that. I
>> understand the desirability of that to that collector and that they can and do
>> find their niche fascinating. I'd never say their collection, or collecting
>> focus is silly. I'd just never say that.
>>
>> If someone collects hammers, that's great. That's their focus, not mine.
>>
>> I have said that hammers are not my field. Sorry if that offends you.
>> Matchbooks are not my field either. I can't be bothered by a collector of
>> matchbooks who is offended by that truth, or if that upsets a dealer who
>> trades or specializes in matchbooks. It's simply a statement of fact.
>>
>> That being said, and my position now reiterated and clarified, I can only
>> suspect that your post was meant for another person, which you erroneously
>> directed to me. I'd request that before you start your next email stating that
>> anyone, especially myself, is self-centered, closed minded, closed-hearted,
>> trapped in a sad little world and attribute quotes to me that were never
>> stated, please take the time to actual read and understand the posts and
>> address the correct person in your response.
>>
>> It will save a lot of grief and wasted bandwidth for everyone if you do.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> Full Moon Photography
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michael Blood<mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> From: Michael Blood<mlblood at cox.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
>>> To: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>>> "Richard Kowalski"<damoclid at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List"
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 2:19 PM
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> To each his own.
>>> Beauty is in the eye of the
>>> beholder.
>>> I am not sure why you collect
>>> meteorites, but for me it is the
>>> "romance" or "adventure" or wonderment of actually knowing
>>> about
>>> Where these extraterrestrial space travelers came from,
>>> where they
>>> Hit the earth - the impact they had (physically and
>>> sociologically -
>>> And sometimes, anthropologically), etc.
>>> To discount the importance
>>> another places on any given attribute
>>> Belies a self centeredness that is unfortunate in that it
>>> prevents the
>>> One doing so from understanding others and belies a lack of
>>> empathy -
>>> Something most consider desirable attributes in a person.
>>> To call it
>>> "silly" betrays a severe lack of respect for others if not
>>> down right
>>> hostility.
>>> Sincerely sorry to hear you are
>>> trapped in such a world. Hope
>>> The sun rises in your heart.
>>> Best wishes, Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/10 1:57 PM, "fallingfusion at wi.rr.com"
>>> <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I never understood the importance behind "hammer
>>>>
>>> stones". Not only is it a
>>>
>>>> stupid term that any child could come up with, but all
>>>>
>>> meteorites have to land
>>>
>>>> somewhere. Its inevitable that once in a while a home,
>>>>
>>> vehicle, or other man
>>>
>>>> made object will take a beating from one of these
>>>>
>>> visitors.
>>>
>>>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Blood<mlblood at cox.net>
>>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:01:15
>>>> To: Richard Kowalski<damoclid at yahoo.com>;
>>>>
>>> Meteorite
>>>
>>>> List<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
>>>>
>>>> Hi Richard and all.
>>>> The definition
>>>>
>>> you quote below is THE definition.
>>>
>>>>> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
>>>>>
>>> hammer fall in which one or more
>>>
>>>>> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
>>>>>
>>> human."
>>>
>>>> (Note: a "hammer
>>>>
>>> stone" is the specific stone that struck the
>>>
>>>> artifact, animal or human)
>>>> However, it is
>>>>
>>> inevitable that some will consider a dirt road an
>>>
>>>> Artifact and some will not. Even a paved road holds no
>>>>
>>> interest to me,
>>>
>>>> Though I would not unequivocally state it is not a
>>>>
>>> hammer. Howsabout
>>>
>>>> A fruit tree? Since fruit trees (at least the vast
>>>>
>>> majority) are
>>>
>>>> 1) all grown on rootstock budded to variety (I used to
>>>>
>>> do this for work
>>>
>>>> When I was young) and
>>>> 2) said varieties almost always represent decades if
>>>>
>>> not centuries of
>>>
>>>> Hybridization....
>>>> Is a meteorite that strikes such a tree a hammer? THAT
>>>>
>>> is a
>>>
>>>> Debatable question - the vast majority (dirt
>>>>
>>> roads, paved roads,
>>>
>>>> Etc) have more to do with when the given collector
>>>>
>>> wishes to consider
>>>
>>>> It a hammer. It is like, when is a meteorite an
>>>>
>>> "oriented meteorite?"
>>>
>>>> If it has very distinct aspects? If it has ANY
>>>>
>>> discernable aspects of
>>>
>>>> Orientation at all? (My soon to be released book will
>>>>
>>> have hundreds of
>>>
>>>> Photos showing the vast array of different aspects and
>>>>
>>> degrees of
>>>
>>>> Said aspects of orientation).
>>>> Bottom line is,
>>>>
>>> there are just some things that come down to
>>>
>>>> The individual deciding for him/her self. Like when is
>>>>
>>> a guy "tall"
>>>
>>>> Or "short?" Or when is a woman "attractive" or a man
>>>>
>>> "handsome?"
>>>
>>>> You will get a lot of different answers depending on
>>>>
>>> who is describing
>>>
>>>> The attribute.
>>>> No matter how
>>>>
>>> specific the definition (and the above definition is
>>>
>>>> Quite specific) you will have varying degrees of
>>>>
>>> opinion of what constitutes
>>>
>>>> An artifact.
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/16/10 10:33 AM, "Richard Kowalski"<damoclid at yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Being one who only has a very modest interest in
>>>>>
>>> serious hammers (those
>>>
>>>>> causing damage or hitting a person) the broad
>>>>>
>>> definition of "hammer" has
>>>
>>>>> bothered me a bit as it seems so inclusive.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From Michael Blood's website:
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
>>>>>
>>> hammer fall in which one or more
>>>
>>>>> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
>>>>>
>>> human."
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That would seem to me that anything stuck by
>>>>>
>>> a meteorite that is man-made
>>>
>>>>> has
>>>>> to be considered a hammer, including a dirt road,
>>>>>
>>> even if Michael has stated
>>>
>>>>> he doesn't consider it. The example of a shed made
>>>>>
>>> exclusively of tree
>>>
>>>>> branches would too have to be a hammer since the
>>>>>
>>> shed is an "artifact". The
>>>
>>>>> cow patty? No. Or maybe yes if it has become
>>>>>
>>> fossilized?
>>>
>>>>> It seems to me either a very much large number of
>>>>>
>>> meteorites need to be
>>>
>>>>> called
>>>>> hammers, rapidly diluting the "cache" of the
>>>>>
>>> title, or a very much tighter
>>>
>>>>> definition needs to be developed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I'm much more interested in what the
>>>>>
>>> meteorite is than where it
>>>
>>>>> happened
>>>>> to land, I have no dog in this fight, but if
>>>>>
>>> hammers were my area of
>>>
>>>>> collecting, it obvious a much tighter definition
>>>>>
>>> is desirable.
>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Richard Kowalski
>>>>> Full Moon Photography
>>>>> IMCA #1081
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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