[meteorite-list] Hammer Question Apologies to Richard

From: al mitt <almitt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:32:39 -0400
Message-ID: <C8F4A45B7A6F44079A45CCFFD9B92D34_at_StarmanPC>

Hi Michael,

Ryan Pawelski was the one who thought it silly that didn't sign his name to
the email from his blue berry phone. :-)

--AL



----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; <Fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question Apologies to Richard


Hi Richard,
        My apologies - mistaken, as whoever wrote this:
> On 6/16/10 1:57 PM, "fallingfusion at wi.rr.com"
> <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I never understood the importance behind "hammer
> stones". Not only is it a
> > stupid term that any child could come up with, but all
> meteorites have to land
> > somewhere. Its inevitable that once in a while a home,
> vehicle, or other man
> > made object will take a beating from one of these
> visitors.
> >
> > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

Did not "sign" his post.
        My comments were directed at the author of the above
quote - whoever "Fallingfusion at wi.rr.com" is.
        Best wishes, Michael


On 6/16/10 3:01 PM, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey Michael,
>
> Would you please quote my message where I said anything abut one's
> collecting
> focus, regarding hammers or any other niche, as "Silly"?
>
> I collect, among other things and in addition to meteorites, coins and
> currency & Daguerreotypes. I have subsets of collectibles within each
> group
> that I focus on; Hard Times Tokens in Numismatics and women and girls
> wearing
> off the shoulder dresses in the Daguerreotypes.
>
> I understand the focus of my own collecting and the desires other
> collectors
> have in these fields and throughout the wide range of collectibles overlap
> and
> diverge. If you want to collect matchbooks, matchbooks from the 1940s,
> matchbooks from nightclubs in a specific city, I have no problem with
> that. I
> understand the desirability of that to that collector and that they can
> and do
> find their niche fascinating. I'd never say their collection, or
> collecting
> focus is silly. I'd just never say that.
>
> If someone collects hammers, that's great. That's their focus, not mine.
>
> I have said that hammers are not my field. Sorry if that offends you.
> Matchbooks are not my field either. I can't be bothered by a collector of
> matchbooks who is offended by that truth, or if that upsets a dealer who
> trades or specializes in matchbooks. It's simply a statement of fact.
>
> That being said, and my position now reiterated and clarified, I can only
> suspect that your post was meant for another person, which you erroneously
> directed to me. I'd request that before you start your next email stating
> that
> anyone, especially myself, is self-centered, closed minded,
> closed-hearted,
> trapped in a sad little world and attribute quotes to me that were never
> stated, please take the time to actual read and understand the posts and
> address the correct person in your response.
>
> It will save a lot of grief and wasted bandwidth for everyone if you do.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
>> To: fallingfusion at wi.rr.com, meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com,
>> "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>, "Meteorite List"
>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 2:19 PM
>> Hi Richard,
>> To each his own.
>> Beauty is in the eye of the
>> beholder.
>> I am not sure why you collect
>> meteorites, but for me it is the
>> "romance" or "adventure" or wonderment of actually knowing
>> about
>> Where these extraterrestrial space travelers came from,
>> where they
>> Hit the earth - the impact they had (physically and
>> sociologically -
>> And sometimes, anthropologically), etc.
>> To discount the importance
>> another places on any given attribute
>> Belies a self centeredness that is unfortunate in that it
>> prevents the
>> One doing so from understanding others and belies a lack of
>> empathy -
>> Something most consider desirable attributes in a person.
>> To call it
>> "silly" betrays a severe lack of respect for others if not
>> down right
>> hostility.
>> Sincerely sorry to hear you are
>> trapped in such a world. Hope
>> The sun rises in your heart.
>> Best wishes, Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/10 1:57 PM, "fallingfusion at wi.rr.com"
>> <fallingfusion at wi.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I never understood the importance behind "hammer
>> stones". Not only is it a
>>> stupid term that any child could come up with, but all
>> meteorites have to land
>>> somewhere. Its inevitable that once in a while a home,
>> vehicle, or other man
>>> made object will take a beating from one of these
>> visitors.
>>>
>>> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>
>>> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:01:15
>>> To: Richard Kowalski<damoclid at yahoo.com>;
>> Meteorite
>>> List<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Question
>>>
>>> Hi Richard and all.
>>> The definition
>> you quote below is THE definition.
>>>> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
>> hammer fall in which one or more
>>>> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
>> human."
>>> (Note: a "hammer
>> stone" is the specific stone that struck the
>>> artifact, animal or human)
>>> However, it is
>> inevitable that some will consider a dirt road an
>>> Artifact and some will not. Even a paved road holds no
>> interest to me,
>>> Though I would not unequivocally state it is not a
>> hammer. Howsabout
>>> A fruit tree? Since fruit trees (at least the vast
>> majority) are
>>> 1) all grown on rootstock budded to variety (I used to
>> do this for work
>>> When I was young) and
>>> 2) said varieties almost always represent decades if
>> not centuries of
>>> Hybridization....
>>> Is a meteorite that strikes such a tree a hammer? THAT
>> is a
>>> Debatable question - the vast majority (dirt
>> roads, paved roads,
>>> Etc) have more to do with when the given collector
>> wishes to consider
>>> It a hammer. It is like, when is a meteorite an
>> "oriented meteorite?"
>>> If it has very distinct aspects? If it has ANY
>> discernable aspects of
>>> Orientation at all? (My soon to be released book will
>> have hundreds of
>>> Photos showing the vast array of different aspects and
>> degrees of
>>> Said aspects of orientation).
>>> Bottom line is,
>> there are just some things that come down to
>>> The individual deciding for him/her self. Like when is
>> a guy "tall"
>>> Or "short?" Or when is a woman "attractive" or a man
>> "handsome?"
>>> You will get a lot of different answers depending on
>> who is describing
>>> The attribute.
>>> No matter how
>> specific the definition (and the above definition is
>>> Quite specific) you will have varying degrees of
>> opinion of what constitutes
>>> An artifact.
>>> Best wishes,
>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/10 10:33 AM, "Richard Kowalski" <damoclid at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being one who only has a very modest interest in
>> serious hammers (those
>>>> causing damage or hitting a person) the broad
>> definition of "hammer" has
>>>> bothered me a bit as it seems so inclusive.
>>>>
>>>>> From Michael Blood's website:
>>>>
>>>> "Hammer" - any individual which is part of a
>> hammer fall in which one or more
>>>> of the individuals struck an artifact, animal or
>> human."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That would seem to me that anything stuck by
>> a meteorite that is man-made
>>>> has
>>>> to be considered a hammer, including a dirt road,
>> even if Michael has stated
>>>> he doesn't consider it. The example of a shed made
>> exclusively of tree
>>>> branches would too have to be a hammer since the
>> shed is an "artifact". The
>>>> cow patty? No. Or maybe yes if it has become
>> fossilized?
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me either a very much large number of
>> meteorites need to be
>>>> called
>>>> hammers, rapidly diluting the "cache" of the
>> title, or a very much tighter
>>>> definition needs to be developed.
>>>>
>>>> Since I'm much more interested in what the
>> meteorite is than where it
>>>> happened
>>>> to land, I have no dog in this fight, but if
>> hammers were my area of
>>>> collecting, it obvious a much tighter definition
>> is desirable.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Richard Kowalski
>>>> Full Moon Photography
>>>> IMCA #1081
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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