[meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:29:10 -0500
Message-ID: <20100107122910.MBSFC.103176.imail_at_fed1rmwml45>

Dave,
Not to beat a dead horse but please take note when you watch the video that. The red of "shorty Crater" is only exposed because it was hit by a meteorite and excavated a crater. Similarly, if the other 40 spots found with this red material also were exposed by meteorite hits. Does that not up the odds that much of this red stuff got air bourne? And then landed on Earth? My theory is that all of this red material in beneath the surface and only now do we realize this. All of the spots the Japanese probe points out that are red also happen to be in the shape of a crater. This further adds to the theory. It now seems clear that this red stuff originated on the moon after all. Maybe?
See you in Tucson. Carl

--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
---- Dave Mouat <dave.mouat at dri.edu> wrote: 
> Hi Carl
> 
> And thanks for the reply.
> The observations that there is red material on the moon is very 
> important.  However, the % of the moon's surface that has red material 
> is almost infinitessimal.  It is very possible that the Oman lunaites 
> indeed come from that lunar red matter but far more likely that it is 
> terrestrial weathering.  One of the listees mentioned hematite 
> staining.  That is also possible, but it is more likely that Fe minerals 
> in the parent rock have weathered in situ.
> Possibly see you in Tucson.
> 
> Dave
> 
> cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> > Dave,
> >  Okay . Bad comparison with red on outside or milbillillie but The question I asked was sort of answered by the other Carl. His posted video shows that the current Japanese probe has spotted 41 different spots on the moon which have this red color. Including the one we found called "shorty crater".
> > http://www.panoramas.dk/moon/apollo-17-2.html
> >
> > So, it seems rather obvious that ;1). This red color originated on the moon itself and 2). They are calling it a mixture of water silicate and glass material but it is indeed red and from the moon itself.
> > This still makes Oman material seem strange that only material that landed there came from these red areas. because not all of those falls have been linked as related to each other. maybe now they will be? This also means that there are likely more red lunars laying around. Thanks Carl
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> > ---- Dave Mouat <dave.mouat at dri.edu> wrote: 
> >   
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> The red on the millbillillie's isn't oxidation, it's red clay that got 
> >> stuck to the meteorites upon landing in a very iron-rich clay surface.
> >> What do you mean by "deep inside" and "original crusty area"?  Do you 
> >> mean the meteorites themselves?
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> >>     
> >>> Greg,
> >>> Interesting observation.
> >>> Recently, I asked the same question to Randy Korotev. As I recall he said it was Earth oxidation.
> >>> I then looked at all of the pictures on his web site and noticed that the only ones he shows with this red
> >>>  color are the Oman examples. Most of them are listed as Dhofar but Oman also includes your example in 
> >>> question; shisr161 . 
> >>> see pics at link;
> >>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm
> >>>
> >>> So, All do respect to Randy, to add to your question; why do only Oman lunar's have the red color inside. Because in some of them the red is only very deep inside
> >>> and not near the original crustal area. You would think if it was weathering on Earth,  it would be near the surface area and not only deep inside as clearly is the case in some of the pics. ? Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? 
> >>> Thanks Carl
> >>> --
> >>> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> >>> Meteoritemax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ---- Greg Stanley <stanleygregr at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> List:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a question regarding Lunar meteorites.  In many of the pics on various websites I have noticed a reddish/brown color in the meteorites.  I figured that most would be more grayish and white.  Is the reddish color from terrestrial means?  Does it oxidize after landing?  Or is this reddish color not related to oxidation at all and is the actual color it would be on the moon?  I would think that there would be no oxidation on the moon or in space, due to the lack of oxygen.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shisr161 is an example.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Shisr161-2.884g.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> I can't get over how 'terrestrial' lunars look.  Who knows... maybe I've stepped on one without knowing it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg S.
> >>>>
> >>>>  
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