[meteorite-list] Matters Arising (cease fire! - white flag)

From: Mark Bowling <minador_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:44:04 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <729899.94989.qm_at_web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Let's please not let this degenerate into a debate surrounding the?2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
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Lets not beat a vaca muerta.? It's been pointed out that the phrase "I didn't know it was loaded" is a sad one which can be eliminated by safe behavior.??Firearms are not toys.? As a member of this forum and an NRA?firearms safety instructor,?the Count was?duty bound to mention his concern (and was the first to show his concern).? It is a serious safety issue.? I hope we leave it to that, regardless of what you believe.
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There is no need to discuss it?here any further as ONLY HURTFUL WORDS WILL FOLLOW.
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Let's not make it a?debate between Right and Left and assume what the Right or?Left think.? People are diverse in their views and it's not as simple as that.? Some of us in Arizona?near the border live?under serious threat from?cross border smugglers and bandits, regardless of our political beliefs.? Do not make it a debate between how many people died on?what?continent during select time periods.? Stop with the names...
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The photos were innocent and for fun, but looking back they didn't treat firearms with the respect that they necessitate.
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Let's give the members under question the benefit of the doubt.????????? It's highly unlikely more questionable photos will be used in the future.?
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So let's get back to meteorites and?keep your powder dry until more offensive photos are posted.
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If you feel the need to reply to something that someone has already written, it's easy to keep it off list (be courteous and reply in private...).? Nobody should be asked?OR feel that they need to leave the list.? And neither side should subject the list to their private beliefs (unless they are relevant to the subject of meteoritics).
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Truce please!

Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ (TUCSON!)



----- Original Message ----
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike at gmail.com>
To: bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:14:48 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising

Hi Bernd and List,

I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see
him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish
impulses under control.

I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault
weapons.? I support the right to private ownership of firearms.? But,
I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and
they have a proper place.? My current firearm has not left it's lock
box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a
cleaning.? I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or
brandished.

Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile
tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also
off-topic for this list.

Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for
stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our
way is always the right way.? As a whole, we have little consideration
for the cultures or beliefs of others.

To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that
Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette,
drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie.
And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways.? If not, we will
declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland.? Problem solved.

;)

Best regards,

MikeG




On 03 Feb 2010 16:56:37 UT, bernd.pauli at paulinet.de
<bernd.pauli at paulinet.de> wrote:
> Hello Folks,
>
> Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting
> and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly,
> gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see
> him leave the list!
>
> He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne
> because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be
> presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites.
>
> What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter
> state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons:
> they are not toys!
>
> We should also be aware of those "subtle" differences between British and
> American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both
> sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation.
>
> I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals.
> His
> post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not
> forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who
> might
> feel like having to point a gun, maybe "only"an airgun, right at their
> friend's face!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernd
>
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