[meteorite-list] NWA 4936/5406 [was: NWA 2995]

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 13:19:25 -0500
Message-ID: <753129D28E5B4927825DD16C82A4A94E_at_greg323a964987>

Hi Aziz,

Thank you for your quick correction! You got me a little nervous there for a
minute, glad it was just a link and not the accuracy of info for NWA
4936/5406 we were provided. I also appreciate your concerns for trying to
make corrections to the Bulletin, a daunting task!

Best regards,
Greg

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Abdelaziz Alhyane" <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Greg Hupe" <gmhupe at htn.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: NWA 4936/5406 [was: NWA 2995]


> Hello Greg and List,
> let me correct the link :
> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alumina.htm
> I was not talking about about 4936 and 5406, I meant the NWA material
> especially 2995 which was found in Missouri Morocco, NOT Algeria.
> There is no mistake for 4936/5406
>
> My best
> Aziz
>
> --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe at htn.net>
>> Subject: NWA 4936/5406 [was: NWA 2995]
>> To: "Abdelaziz Alhyane" <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>,
>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 9:47 AM
>> Hello Aziz Alhyane and List,
>>
>> Aziz wrote:
>> "Meteoritical bulletin really contains so many errors !!!!!
>> just like this site http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa4936.htm
>> I'm sure All Moroccans can help to get every mistake about
>> NWA finds/falls corrected, just ask us"
>>
>> Jack Schrader purchased the NWA 4936 stones and I purchased
>> the paired NWA 5406 lunar stones from a Moroccan dealer
>> (List member) who told us this material was found near
>> Siksou Mountains in southern Morocco (Western Sahara). The
>> classifying scientists were also told this same information
>> by the Moroccan dealer. Here is a link to two photos of one
>> of the finders provided to me, is that you Aziz?
>> 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5406/siksou1.jpg
>> 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa5406/siksou2.jpg
>>
>> I was also provided an image of some of the stones next to
>> a GPS with coordinates clearly visible. A Google Earth
>> search places the spot south of Laayoune and SSW of Smara in
>> Western Sahara.
>>
>> Aziz, I appreciate your wanting to correct any false
>> entries in the Bulletin like the rest of us. If Jack and I
>> were provided with a false find location for NWA 4936/5406,
>> please let us know what you know. If we were lied to, this
>> is something only concerned Moroccans like yourself can try
>> to correct with your fellow countrymen. If we were provided
>> with false information, please contact your local friend and
>> sometime partner in Morocco, he will want to correct any
>> erroneous find locations as well. 'Confusion' like this is
>> why meteorites found in the Sahara desert are assigned with
>> an "NWA" designation number instead of an actual name of
>> where they are found, or reported as found from. There is
>> simply no confidence in this data because of a variety of
>> reasons (i.e. keep the site secret, the finder did not have
>> GPS, etc.).
>>
>> Here is part of my description for NWA 5406 that tries to
>> explain another problem with original distribution of NWA
>> 4936/5406:
>> >>
>> Initially there was some confusion concerning the combined
>> Total Known Weight (TKW) of pairings of NWA 4936/5406 due to
>> mismanaged distribution of the original eight stones by a
>> Moroccan dealer. Eventually the puzzle was put together.
>> After thorough searches of the find site, it has been
>> established that there are eight individual stones that
>> together constitute NWA 5406 (six stones 281g) and NWA 4936
>> (two complete stones 179g and one 20g type sample from one
>> of the NWA 5406 stones) for a combined Total Known Weight of
>> 480 grams. Two of the eight stones (179g total) were
>> purchased in 2007 by a collector, who removed 20 grams from
>> one of these complete stones and submitted it to a second
>> scientist for classification without realizing the material
>> had already been classified. Months later the two
>> classifying scientists were able to piece together the
>> puzzle when the final four stones were purchased, and
>> another 20 grams was submitted and classified under the NWA
>> 5406 designation. Luckily, all eight stones were proved to
>> come from a single Moroccan dealer and/or finder then
>> classified by the same scientist! In all, a combined total
>> of 60.1 grams in type samples have been deposited at UWS and
>> UAz.
>>
>> <<
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope this helps, Thank You for your concerns!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Greg
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abdelaziz Alhyane"
>> <abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:48 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2995
>>
>>
>> > Dear List Members,
>> > Was the 2995 was found in Algeria? As I know, it was
>> found in Missour, Morocco. Meteoritical bulletin really
>> contains so many errors !!!!! just like this site
>> http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa4936.htm
>> > I'm sure All Moroccans can help to get every mistake
>> about NWA finds/falls corrected, just ask us
>> >
>> > My best
>> > Aziz
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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