[meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron

From: michael cottingham <voyagebotanica_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 12:14:16 -0600
Message-ID: <BAY148-w10B9D300336FE3FFD187F3D1AC0_at_phx.gbl>

Hello,
I believe the Sudanese claim that area too!
Michael Cottingham

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> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:05:45 -0400
> From: jgrossman at usgs.gov
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron
>
> Just out of curiosity, as I really know little about this... but whose
> land is the crater on? I assume it is government-owned land of some
> type. Wouldn't this make the meteorites the property of the Egyptian
> government? People seem concerned with export law, but is this really
> all we should be concerned about? I would think Egypt's public-lands
> laws would be a primary question here.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 2010-08-01 1:37 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
>> After talking to some informed sources off-list, I am now of the
>> opinion that the Kamil specimens on the market are legal. What we are
>> seeing here is a rehash of the old science-vs-collectors feud from
>> Nininger's day. (sour grapes)
>>
>> Egypt has strict laws regarding artifacts, but none regarding
>> meteorites. No laws were broken in removing these specimens - unless
>> my sources are wrong, and I don't believe they are.
>>
>>
>> On 8/1/10, Galactic Stone& Ironworks wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Giancarlo and List,
>>>
>>> What an interesting and unfortunate development. Most meteorite
>>> collectors and dealers were unaware of the situation at Kamil crater.
>>>
>>> For those on the List who cannot read Italian, here is a Google
>>> translated version of the forum discussion -
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/29qqopq
>>>
>>> Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal?
>>> (i.e. Berduc)
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> MikeG
>>>
>>> PS - If these are illegal, then for once, I am glad I didn't receive
>>> any of this iron and don't have any.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/1/10, pyram at libero.it wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry, I forgot: the forum is essentially in Italian.
>>>>
>>>> Giancarlo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ----Messaggio originale----
>>>>> Da: pyram at libero.it
>>>>> Data: 01/08/2010 9.24
>>>>> A: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"
>>>>>
>>>> com>
>>>>
>>>>> Ogg: Re: [meteorite-list] Writing on Gebel Kamil iron
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I cannot help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the meteorites now on the market are illegally collected and sold
>>>>>
>>>> because
>>>>
>>>>> evidently some persons a little time after our expedition give the
>>>>> position
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> the crater and of the meteorites.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact after our February 2010 mission all the area was declared from
>>>>> the
>>>>> military autorities off limits and no permission are released to anybody.
>>>>>
>>>>> But clearly some persons went illegally in the area without any
>>>>> permission
>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>> they collected many meteorite samples to put its in the market, and
>>>>>
>>>> evidently
>>>>
>>>>> numbered some samples.
>>>>>
>>>>> The true history about what happened is online in the forum of my
>>>>> website:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.zerzuraclub.org/index.php?
>>>>> option=com_fireboard&func=view&id=923&catid=4&Itemid=74#923
>>>>>
>>>>> Giancarlo Negro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aloha,
>>>>>>
>>>>> A good friend who acquired a Gebel Kamil iron from me recently noticed
>>>>> some
>>>>>
>>>>> writing on it that is visible only in certain viewing angles and
>>>>> lighting.
>>>>>
>>>>> It
>>>>> appears to say SE A8 or SE 48. Does anyone on the list have any
>>>>> knowledge
>>>>> of
>>>>> this writing or what it could mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://astroday.net/Images/gebel.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Fujihara
>>>>> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
>>>>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
>>>>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html
>>>>> (808) 640-9161<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>
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