[meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron

From: Jeff Grossman <jgrossman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 14:05:45 -0400
Message-ID: <4C55B779.80600_at_usgs.gov>

Just out of curiosity, as I really know little about this... but whose
land is the crater on? I assume it is government-owned land of some
type. Wouldn't this make the meteorites the property of the Egyptian
government? People seem concerned with export law, but is this really
all we should be concerned about? I would think Egypt's public-lands
laws would be a primary question here.

Jeff

On 2010-08-01 1:37 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote:
> After talking to some informed sources off-list, I am now of the
> opinion that the Kamil specimens on the market are legal. What we are
> seeing here is a rehash of the old science-vs-collectors feud from
> Nininger's day. (sour grapes)
>
> Egypt has strict laws regarding artifacts, but none regarding
> meteorites. No laws were broken in removing these specimens - unless
> my sources are wrong, and I don't believe they are.
>
>
> On 8/1/10, Galactic Stone& Ironworks<meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Giancarlo and List,
>>
>> What an interesting and unfortunate development. Most meteorite
>> collectors and dealers were unaware of the situation at Kamil crater.
>>
>> For those on the List who cannot read Italian, here is a Google
>> translated version of the forum discussion -
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/29qqopq
>>
>> Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal?
>> (i.e. Berduc)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
>> PS - If these are illegal, then for once, I am glad I didn't receive
>> any of this iron and don't have any.
>>
>>
>> On 8/1/10, pyram at libero.it<pyram at libero.it> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I forgot: the forum is essentially in Italian.
>>>
>>> Giancarlo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----Messaggio originale----
>>>> Da: pyram at libero.it
>>>> Data: 01/08/2010 9.24
>>>> A: "meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com"<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.
>>>>
>>> com>
>>>
>>>> Ogg: Re: [meteorite-list] Writing on Gebel Kamil iron
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I cannot help you.
>>>>
>>>> All the meteorites now on the market are illegally collected and sold
>>>>
>>> because
>>>
>>>> evidently some persons a little time after our expedition give the
>>>> position
>>>>
>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> the crater and of the meteorites.
>>>>
>>>> In fact after our February 2010 mission all the area was declared from
>>>> the
>>>> military autorities off limits and no permission are released to anybody.
>>>>
>>>> But clearly some persons went illegally in the area without any
>>>> permission
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> they collected many meteorite samples to put its in the market, and
>>>>
>>> evidently
>>>
>>>> numbered some samples.
>>>>
>>>> The true history about what happened is online in the forum of my
>>>> website:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.zerzuraclub.org/index.php?
>>>> option=com_fireboard&func=view&id=923&catid=4&Itemid=74#923
>>>>
>>>> Giancarlo Negro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Aloha,
>>>>>
>>>> A good friend who acquired a Gebel Kamil iron from me recently noticed
>>>> some
>>>>
>>>> writing on it that is visible only in certain viewing angles and
>>>> lighting.
>>>>
>>>> It
>>>> appears to say SE A8 or SE 48. Does anyone on the list have any
>>>> knowledge
>>>> of
>>>> this writing or what it could mean?
>>>>
>>>> http://astroday.net/Images/gebel.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Gary Fujihara
>>>> Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693)
>>>> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
>>>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>>>> http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html
>>>> (808) 640-9161<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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