[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:31:30 -0700
Message-ID: <v2j93aaac891004241531z3cc6fd73va04142d51e66b824_at_mail.gmail.com>

Again, your point? You literally had nothing to disagree with from
what I'd said, but claimed to have found Ash Creek for less than $20/g
- when I did note that it occasionally went as low as $15/g (likely a
moot point in this case since this fall looks to be much harder to
find pieces of).
I think most people on here would agree with my saying that if you
want to learn how to do something well, the best way to go about it is
to learn it while still young.
I'll get back to your private email.

And Warren...if his being so famous meant that he could sell average
meteorites for more, I daresay his other auctions would reflect it.
Look at his selling record. Pretty standard prices.

He may be on TV, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for his ebay sales.

Regards.
Jason

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been trading online since 1999 (rockhounding since the 70's) and
> have been in meteorites for almost 4 (the List for about 2.5 or 3). ?I
> don't claim to be an expert - just a clown in the peanut gallery.
>
> Of course, I'm sure you'll dissect my reply into syllables and refute
> each one. ;)
>
>
> On 4/24/10, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Your point? ?I've been doing this since I was that old, and I've seen
>> the market change from what it was back then (Gibeon at $80/kg, Zagami
>> at $1k/g, historic falls at $5+/g, etc) to what it is today.
>> And I've seen countless dealers and collectors come and go in that time.
>> To be frank, you've only been here for a year or so. ?There have been
>> many like you.
>> I'll see if you're still here in five years.
>> Jason
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
>> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> - But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since
>>>>>> 1998.
>>>
>>> What were you in 1998? ? Ten? ?Twelve years old at the most? ?LOL ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
>>>> What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and
>>>> brawl.
>>>>
>>>> Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$..
>>>>
>>>> With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to
>>>> argue
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> In the beginning it is expensive.
>>>> Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available.
>>>>
>>>> If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it
>>>> will
>>>> be more expensive, as in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern:
>>>> Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more
>>>> expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning.
>>>>
>>>> How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on
>>>> the
>>>> number of vendors.
>>>>
>>>> Examples.
>>>> Park Forest: ?40 - 15 - 25$
>>>> Bensour: ? ? ? ? 8 - ?1.5 - 6
>>>> Bilanga: ? ? ? ?60 - 15 - 25
>>>> Carancas: ? ?100 - 30 - ?
>>>> Hammami ? ? ? ? ?2 - 0.5 - 3
>>>> Sikhote ? ? ? ?9 - 0.3 - 3
>>>> Juancheng ? ? ? ?3.5 - 1.5 - 5
>>>> Vilalbeto ? ? 40 - 25 - 100
>>>>
>>>> And so on.
>>>> In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more
>>>> expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get
>>>> free again either from collections or from later additional finds.
>>>> Uh.
>>>> Allende 0.5 - 15........
>>>> Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40....
>>>> Elbogen 12 - 400
>>>>
>>>> Best!
>>>>
>>>> Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or
>>>> Pultusk.
>>>>
>>>> Skol
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
>>>> Utas
>>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01
>>>> An: Meteorite-list
>>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall
>>>> PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
>>>>
>>>>>I see Steve?s point of what he?s doing by setting a base price for the
>>>> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales
>>>> on
>>>> eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high
>>>> because it?s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a
>>>> gram
>>>> or less, unless it?s a hammer or has any significance because of science
>>>> or
>>>> other reasons that could make a certain fall unique.
>>>>
>>>> Bullcrap. ?I'd like to see you point out a single place online or
>>>> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone
>>>> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. ?Don't delude yourself here; as a
>>>> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply
>>>> not true. ?Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed
>>>> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its
>>>> comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so.
>>>>
>>>>>In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this
>>>>> fall
>>>> has, then it?s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist
>>>> are
>>>> able to run more test on the fall.
>>>>
>>>> It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. ?That much is obvious
>>>> from the photos. ?I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like
>>>> an H. ?Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite.
>>>>
>>>>>If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field
>>>>> I
>>>> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls.
>>>> What
>>>> I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the
>>>> resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the
>>>> meteorites
>>>> at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of
>>>> meteorite fall in the market.
>>>>
>>>> So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall?
>>>> Wow. ?I think there are many list-members here who would agree that
>>>> that's a very, very bad idea. ?It's one thing to pay them a fair
>>>> price. ?It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy
>>>> every stone found.
>>>>
>>>>>Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this
>>>> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the
>>>> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it?s sold as a Lot or not. With
>>>> all
>>>> this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community
>>>> finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify
>>>> could
>>>> change the current mark price.
>>>>
>>>> This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. ?Your analogy to 869
>>>> does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with
>>>> you here. ?Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of
>>>> a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. ?Give or
>>>> take. ?That number generally depends on the availability of the fall
>>>> -- not the individual specimen's quality. ?With more common falls,
>>>> yes, quality makes a difference.
>>>> A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are
>>>> individuals available.
>>>> But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. ?There are no
>>>> individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. ?In
>>>> light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is
>>>> fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or
>>>> individual.
>>>>
>>>> This is an American fall. ?Its price will be fairly standard, if it's
>>>> at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so
>>>> large.
>>>>
>>>>>All in all I think this situation could go in different directions
>>>> depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if
>>>> the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they
>>>> are
>>>> dealing with from the fall.
>>>>
>>>> Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out...
>>>>
>>>>>At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the
>>>> farmers of how the market works with new falls.
>>>>
>>>> Like with Ash Creek? ?I don't know if you were around for that, but
>>>> the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were
>>>> paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later
>>>> sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time,
>>>> but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g
>>>> it is today).
>>>>
>>>>>Let?s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it
>>>> for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary
>>>> chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less
>>>> depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the
>>>> fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics.
>>>>
>>>> You don't seem to understand how western (N&S America, Europe, Asia to
>>>> some extent) falls are priced.
>>>> I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I
>>>> would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k.
>>>> That's if this is a large fall.
>>>> If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder
>>>> could easily ask for more. ?And get it.
>>>>
>>>> But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Brian Cox
>>>> <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok..... Something doesn't sound right here
>>>> at
>>>>> all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I
>>>>> understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals ? HAD to PAY
>>>>> the
>>>>> Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They
>>>>> Found
>>>>> and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off
>>>>> the
>>>>> property what money the meteorites were worth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor
>>>> next
>>>>> year.
>>>>>
>>>>> People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they
>>>>> understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can "Pay the
>>>>> Farmer" after they sell???? That is a Load of Crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and
>>>>> showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for
>>>>> payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off
>>>>> their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid
>>>> meteorites
>>>>> or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer
>>>>> chased everyone off and said no more hunting.
>>>>>
>>>>> All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per
>>>>> person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner
>>>> and
>>>>> they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your
>>>> half.
>>>>> It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4
>>>>> =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what
>>>> 100
>>>>> other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of
>>>> that
>>>>> took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much
>>>>> these
>>>>> meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or
>>>> watch
>>>>> Paypal for his half to magically appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't I right?
>>>>>
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