[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:19:15 -0400
Message-ID: <g2ge51421551004240819j471a9537ufd913d2355bab35_at_mail.gmail.com>

I've been trading online since 1999 (rockhounding since the 70's) and
have been in meteorites for almost 4 (the List for about 2.5 or 3). I
don't claim to be an expert - just a clown in the peanut gallery.

Of course, I'm sure you'll dissect my reply into syllables and refute
each one. ;)


On 4/24/10, Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
> Your point? I've been doing this since I was that old, and I've seen
> the market change from what it was back then (Gibeon at $80/kg, Zagami
> at $1k/g, historic falls at $5+/g, etc) to what it is today.
> And I've seen countless dealers and collectors come and go in that time.
> To be frank, you've only been here for a year or so. There have been
> many like you.
> I'll see if you're still here in five years.
> Jason
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
> <meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> - But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since
>>>>> 1998.
>>
>> What were you in 1998? Ten? Twelve years old at the most? LOL ;)
>>
>>
>> On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
>>> What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and
>>> brawl.
>>>
>>> Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$..
>>>
>>> With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to
>>> argue
>>> about.
>>>
>>> In the beginning it is expensive.
>>> Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available.
>>>
>>> If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it
>>> will
>>> be more expensive, as in the beginning.
>>>
>>> If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern:
>>> Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more
>>> expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning.
>>>
>>> How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on
>>> the
>>> number of vendors.
>>>
>>> Examples.
>>> Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$
>>> Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6
>>> Bilanga: 60 - 15 - 25
>>> Carancas: 100 - 30 - ?
>>> Hammami 2 - 0.5 - 3
>>> Sikhote 9 - 0.3 - 3
>>> Juancheng 3.5 - 1.5 - 5
>>> Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100
>>>
>>> And so on.
>>> In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more
>>> expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get
>>> free again either from collections or from later additional finds.
>>> Uh.
>>> Allende 0.5 - 15........
>>> Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40....
>>> Elbogen 12 - 400
>>>
>>> Best!
>>>
>>> Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or
>>> Pultusk.
>>>
>>> Skol
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
>>> Utas
>>> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01
>>> An: Meteorite-list
>>> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall
>>> PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
>>>
>>>>I see Steve?s point of what he?s doing by setting a base price for the
>>> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales
>>> on
>>> eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high
>>> because it?s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a
>>> gram
>>> or less, unless it?s a hammer or has any significance because of science
>>> or
>>> other reasons that could make a certain fall unique.
>>>
>>> Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or
>>> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone
>>> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a
>>> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply
>>> not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed
>>> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its
>>> comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so.
>>>
>>>>In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this
>>>> fall
>>> has, then it?s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist
>>> are
>>> able to run more test on the fall.
>>>
>>> It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious
>>> from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like
>>> an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite.
>>>
>>>>If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field
>>>> I
>>> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls.
>>> What
>>> I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the
>>> resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the
>>> meteorites
>>> at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of
>>> meteorite fall in the market.
>>>
>>> So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall?
>>> Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that
>>> that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair
>>> price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy
>>> every stone found.
>>>
>>>>Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this
>>> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the
>>> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it?s sold as a Lot or not. With
>>> all
>>> this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community
>>> finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify
>>> could
>>> change the current mark price.
>>>
>>> This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869
>>> does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with
>>> you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of
>>> a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or
>>> take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall
>>> -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls,
>>> yes, quality makes a difference.
>>> A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are
>>> individuals available.
>>> But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no
>>> individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In
>>> light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is
>>> fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or
>>> individual.
>>>
>>> This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's
>>> at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so
>>> large.
>>>
>>>>All in all I think this situation could go in different directions
>>> depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if
>>> the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they
>>> are
>>> dealing with from the fall.
>>>
>>> Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out...
>>>
>>>>At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the
>>> farmers of how the market works with new falls.
>>>
>>> Like with Ash Creek? I don't know if you were around for that, but
>>> the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were
>>> paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later
>>> sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time,
>>> but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g
>>> it is today).
>>>
>>>>Let?s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it
>>> for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary
>>> chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less
>>> depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the
>>> fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics.
>>>
>>> You don't seem to understand how western (N&S America, Europe, Asia to
>>> some extent) falls are priced.
>>> I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I
>>> would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k.
>>> That's if this is a large fall.
>>> If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder
>>> could easily ask for more. And get it.
>>>
>>> But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Brian Cox
>>> <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok..... Something doesn't sound right here
>>> at
>>>> all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I
>>>> understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals HAD to PAY
>>>> the
>>>> Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They
>>>> Found
>>>> and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off
>>>> the
>>>> property what money the meteorites were worth.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor
>>> next
>>>> year.
>>>>
>>>> People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they
>>>> understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can "Pay the
>>>> Farmer" after they sell???? That is a Load of Crap.
>>>>
>>>> No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and
>>>> showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for
>>>> payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off
>>>> their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid
>>> meteorites
>>>> or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer
>>>> chased everyone off and said no more hunting.
>>>>
>>>> All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per
>>>> person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner
>>> and
>>>> they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your
>>> half.
>>>> It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4
>>>> =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40.
>>>>
>>>> If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what
>>> 100
>>>> other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of
>>> that
>>>> took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much
>>>> these
>>>> meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or
>>> watch
>>>> Paypal for his half to magically appear.
>>>>
>>>> Aren't I right?
>>>>
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