[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:06:06 -0700
Message-ID: <g2w93aaac891004240706vddd76b09v2033149edc0c2d97_at_mail.gmail.com>

"(sometimes 15 if you're lucky)"

Below $15/g? If so, I'd like to buy whatever you didn't.

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks
<meteoritemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> List,
>
> Jason said :
>
>>>> "Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or
> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone
> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a
> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply
> not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed
> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its
> comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so."
>
> I've bought Ash Creek and Park Forest for less than $20/gram - on more
> than one occasion for each. ?Of course, I am not going publicly state
> where I bought it - because I want to go back and buy more.
>
> All of the falls you mention are OC's and only worth typical OC prices.
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
>
> On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan <photophlow at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi
>> Where should I start......
>>
>> I guess ill start off where it was last left off at....
>>
>> Quote un quote
>> "But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998."
>>
>> Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the
>> market since 2010.
>>
>> If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I
>> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What
>> I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the
>> resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites
>> at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of
>> meteorite fall in the market.
>>
>>
>>>So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall?
>> Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that
>> that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair
>> price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy
>> every stone found.
>>
>>
>> So you are saying cut every stone from the fall....No, you said that. I
>> merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to
>> interpret it. But.... if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by
>> all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer
>> your question with a quote un quote "Bullcrap" assumption.
>>
>> Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different
>> view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if
>> you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I
>> like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day,
>> it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is.... if it may
>> be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a
>> drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave
>> with a sm;)e.
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay
>> NOW 1 day
>> Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com
>> Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010
>>
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>>
>>>I see Steve?s point of what he?s doing by setting a base price for the
>>> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales
>>> on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high
>>> because it?s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a
>>> gram or less, unless it?s a hammer or has any significance because of
>>> science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique.
>>
>>
>> Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or
>> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone
>> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a
>> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply
>> not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed
>> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its
>> comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so.
>>
>>
>>>In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall
>>> has, then it?s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are
>>> able to run more test on the fall.
>>
>>
>> It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious
>> from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like
>> an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite.
>>
>>
>>>If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I
>>> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls.
>>> What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them
>>> the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the
>>> meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects
>>> that type of meteorite fall in the market.
>>
>>
>> So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall?
>> Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that
>> that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair
>> price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy
>> every stone found.
>>
>>
>>>Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this
>>> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the
>>> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it?s sold as a Lot or not. With all
>>> this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community
>>> finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could
>>> change the current mark price.
>>
>>
>> This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869
>> does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with
>> you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of
>> a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or
>> take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall
>> -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls,
>> yes, quality makes a difference.
>> A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are
>> individuals available.
>> But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no
>> individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In
>> light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is
>> fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or
>> individual.
>>
>> This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's
>> at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so
>> large.
>>
>>
>>>All in all I think this situation could go in different directions
>>> depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if
>>> the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they
>>> are dealing with from the fall.
>>
>>
>> Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out...
>>
>>
>>>At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the
>>> farmers of how the market works with new falls.
>>
>>
>> Like with Ash Creek? I don't know if you were around for that, but
>> the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were
>> paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later
>> sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time,
>> but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g
>> it is today).
>>
>>
>>>Let?s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it
>>> for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary
>>> chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less
>>> depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the
>>> fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics.
>>
>>
>> You don't seem to understand how western (N&S America, Europe, Asia to
>> some extent) falls are priced.
>> I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I
>> would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k.
>> That's if this is a large fall.
>> If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder
>> could easily ask for more. And get it.
>>
>> But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Brian Cox
>> <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok..... Something doesn't sound right here
>>> at
>>
>>> all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I
>>
>>> understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals ? HAD to PAY the
>>
>>> Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They Found
>>
>>> and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off the
>>
>>> property what money the meteorites were worth.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor
>>> next
>>
>>> year.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they
>>
>>> understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can "Pay the
>>
>>> Farmer" after they sell???? That is a Load of Crap.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and
>>
>>> showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for
>>
>>> payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off
>>
>>> their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid
>>> meteorites
>>
>>> or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer
>>
>>> chased everyone off and said no more hunting.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per
>>
>>> person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner
>>> and
>>
>>> they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your
>>> half.
>>
>>> It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4
>>
>>> =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what
>>> 100
>>
>>> other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of
>>> that
>>
>>> took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much these
>>>
>>
>>> meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or
>>> watch
>>
>>> Paypal for his half to magically appear.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Aren't I right?
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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