[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:12:07 -0400
Message-ID: <g2ne51421551004240612ifde3cf47y96f257ab659a788e_at_mail.gmail.com>

>>> - But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998.

What were you in 1998? Ten? Twelve years old at the most? LOL ;)


On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and
> brawl.
>
> Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$..
>
> With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to argue
> about.
>
> In the beginning it is expensive.
> Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available.
>
> If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it will
> be more expensive, as in the beginning.
>
> If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern:
> Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more
> expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning.
>
> How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on the
> number of vendors.
>
> Examples.
> Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$
> Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6
> Bilanga: 60 - 15 - 25
> Carancas: 100 - 30 - ?
> Hammami 2 - 0.5 - 3
> Sikhote 9 - 0.3 - 3
> Juancheng 3.5 - 1.5 - 5
> Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100
>
> And so on.
> In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more
> expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get
> free again either from collections or from later additional finds.
> Uh.
> Allende 0.5 - 15........
> Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40....
> Elbogen 12 - 400
>
> Best!
>
> Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or
> Pultusk.
>
> Skol
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
> Utas
> Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01
> An: Meteorite-list
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall
> PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
>
>>I see Steve?s point of what he?s doing by setting a base price for the
> recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on
> eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high
> because it?s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram
> or less, unless it?s a hammer or has any significance because of science or
> other reasons that could make a certain fall unique.
>
> Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or
> otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone
> Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a
> collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply
> not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed
> out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its
> comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so.
>
>>In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall
> has, then it?s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are
> able to run more test on the fall.
>
> It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious
> from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like
> an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite.
>
>>If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I
> would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What
> I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the
> resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites
> at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of
> meteorite fall in the market.
>
> So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall?
> Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that
> that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair
> price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy
> every stone found.
>
>>Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this
> ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the
> samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it?s sold as a Lot or not. With all
> this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community
> finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could
> change the current mark price.
>
> This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869
> does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with
> you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of
> a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or
> take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall
> -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls,
> yes, quality makes a difference.
> A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are
> individuals available.
> But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no
> individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In
> light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is
> fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or
> individual.
>
> This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's
> at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so
> large.
>
>>All in all I think this situation could go in different directions
> depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if
> the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are
> dealing with from the fall.
>
> Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out...
>
>>At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the
> farmers of how the market works with new falls.
>
> Like with Ash Creek? I don't know if you were around for that, but
> the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were
> paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later
> sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time,
> but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g
> it is today).
>
>>Let?s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it
> for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary
> chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less
> depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the
> fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics.
>
> You don't seem to understand how western (N&S America, Europe, Asia to
> some extent) falls are priced.
> I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I
> would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k.
> That's if this is a large fall.
> If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder
> could easily ask for more. And get it.
>
> But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Brian Cox
> <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok..... Something doesn't sound right here
> at
>> all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I
>> understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals HAD to PAY the
>> Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They Found
>> and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off the
>> property what money the meteorites were worth.
>>
>> Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor
> next
>> year.
>>
>> People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they
>> understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can "Pay the
>> Farmer" after they sell???? That is a Load of Crap.
>>
>> No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and
>> showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for
>> payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off
>> their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid
> meteorites
>> or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer
>> chased everyone off and said no more hunting.
>>
>> All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per
>> person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner
> and
>> they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your
> half.
>> It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4
>> =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40.
>>
>> If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what
> 100
>> other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of
> that
>> took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much these
>> meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or
> watch
>> Paypal for his half to magically appear.
>>
>> Aren't I right?
>>
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