[meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <960648.22996.qm_at_web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

gee when was the last time any human had 53 reproductions in one year? even the swine flue and other organisms have only recorded viable changes in genome " and im realy just guessing here" since it only covers germs that cause sicknesses. of about once every three months. there is something else going on for a recoverey from an exstinction event from the KT boundry to occure in only 65 million years.
   The material above and below the KT boundry is layered with tectonic events that are about an inch to 3 inches thick. the boundry material has layers between 1 and 4 thousandths of an inch. If we use the amount of layers rather than the thickness of the material to measure the elapsed time. then the recovery time from the extinction event to the time when the reefs recovered again was was a lot longer than the growth rate of limestone from a reef.
   the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers may represent hundreds millions of years, before life returned again on earth. if what happens today is any indication of the past, then life recovered on land, a long time before the ancient ocean reefs started to deposit limestone agaain. giving plenty of time for the vast diversity of genetic material in land animals .
have a great day
Steve




> From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
> To: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:08 AM
> How many licks does it take to get to
> the center of a tootsie pop?
> LOL!
> Isn't science fun?
>
> Steve
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact
> Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
> > To: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM
> > > That humans have turned sex into
> > an amusement park is just an abomination...
> >
> > On behalf of amusement park operators every-
> > where, I strenuously object to this comment...
> >
> >
> > Sterling K. Webb
> >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "G?ran Axelsson"
> <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact
> Predicted/we
> > are the aliens! (off topic)
> >
> >
> > This answer only deals with evolution and no
> meteorites.
> > Just delete it
> > and you will not have missed any meteoritic
> information.
> >
> > Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about
> the
> > existence of
> > aliens but you are making a few mistakes.
> >
> > - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years
> doesn't
> > add up to 53
> > billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The
> real
> > number is
> > 53000 billions.
> > That is only for one cell. You have to add in the
> > diversification that a
> > planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How
> many
> > microbes inhabit
> > this planet?
> > Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1
> billion
> > years there
> > should be 2^53000000000000 cells, more than enough
> that
> > some should give
> > rise to humans with a merely 3000000000 base pairs in
> the
> > DNA strain.
> > When life got more complex it invented sex to speed
> up
> > development by
> > mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans
> have
> > turned sex
> > into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's
> true
> > purpose!)
> >
> >? :-)
> >
> > Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give
> rise
> > to complex
> > multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers
> like
> > you did.
> > Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe
> while
> > my numbers
> > puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes
> (biomass).
> > The truth lies
> > somewhere in between but I leave that for the
> biologists to
> > work on.
> >
> > - The other mistake you are doing is to say that there
> is
> > 4^3000000000
> > combinations of the human genome. If you change too
> much of
> > the genome
> > it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent
> and you
> > could end up
> > with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice.
> Even
> > yeast shares
> > a lot of genes with humans.
> > More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up
> of
> > junk. Repeated
> > expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution
> and
> > remains of
> > viruses.
> >
> > Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change
> a
> > lot of
> > different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at
> the
> > divergence
> > between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created
> a 5%
> > difference
> > between our species. If we take a simplistic view and
> > translate that
> > into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to
> compare.
> > (It is moved
> > parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed
> > parts.) we have an
> > approximately difference of 5% of 3 billion, or 150
> million
> > base pairs
> > over 5 million years, or 30 base pairs per year (15
> per
> > specie). Not
> > that big a number at all.
> >
> > So I don't find any problems with the reproduction
> rates
> > compared to the
> > complexity of our DNA.
> >
> > Btw I believe there is life in other places of the
> universe
> > but that is
> > only a belief. I have no proof of existence or
> absence. The
> > only thing I
> > know is that we soon have the tools to detect traces
> of
> > life if it
> > exists in our stellar vicinity.... and that the
> scientific
> > debate
> > following a possible find will make the meteorite list
> seem
> > dull.
> >
> >? :-)
> >
> > /G?ran
> >
> >
> > Steve Dunklee wrote:
> > > the fastest reproducing micro organism has a
> > reproduction rate of once every ten minutes.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe
> > >
> > > this reproduction rate if there was one change in
> dna
> > every ten minutes would result in just shy of 53
> > billion? different combinations in a billion
> > years.? different combinations of dna.
> > >? the oldest life on earth is 3.5 billion years
> > ago but the change to multi cellular organisms was
> only
> > about 1 billion years ago with stromatolites.
> > >? ? the human genome has 4 to the 3 billionth
> > power of genetic combinations in its dna and a
> reproduction
> > rate of once every 9 months. as species become more
> complex
> > the reproduction rate decreases.
> > >
> > > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html
> > >
> > >? 4 to the 3 billionth power is way over the
> > possible 52 billion combinitations assuming one change
> every
> > ten minutes which we all know is impossible.
> > >? the only possible explaination of the
> complexity
> > of the human genome and other forms of life on earth
> is that
> > life could not possibly have formed on earth. there
> has not
> > been enough time! even at one surviable change every
> ten
> > minutes. at one change every ten minutes it would
> still take
> > over 2 billion years.
> > >
> > > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe
> > >
> > > http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1658283.htm
> > >
> > >? I know I don't have all the answeres but it's
> > hard to ignore real science of reproduction rates as
> > compared to our dna. and the amount of time it takes
> for
> > reproduction to occure.
> > >? ???In short we are the aliens!
> > > eve a great day!
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> >
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