[meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)

From: Steve Dunklee <sdunklee72520_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 04:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <702274.14468.qm_at_web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
 LOL!
Isn't science fun?

Steve


--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Sterling K. Webb <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
> To: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM
> > That humans have turned sex into
> an amusement park is just an abomination...
>
> On behalf of amusement park operators every-
> where, I strenuously object to this comment...
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "G?ran Axelsson" <axelsson at acc.umu.se>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we
> are the aliens! (off topic)
>
>
> This answer only deals with evolution and no meteorites.
> Just delete it
> and you will not have missed any meteoritic information.
>
> Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about the
> existence of
> aliens but you are making a few mistakes.
>
> - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years doesn't
> add up to 53
> billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The real
> number is
> 53000 billions.
> That is only for one cell. You have to add in the
> diversification that a
> planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How many
> microbes inhabit
> this planet?
> Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1 billion
> years there
> should be 2^53000000000000 cells, more than enough that
> some should give
> rise to humans with a merely 3000000000 base pairs in the
> DNA strain.
> When life got more complex it invented sex to speed up
> development by
> mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans have
> turned sex
> into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's true
> purpose!)
>
> :-)
>
> Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give rise
> to complex
> multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers like
> you did.
> Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe while
> my numbers
> puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes (biomass).
> The truth lies
> somewhere in between but I leave that for the biologists to
> work on.
>
> - The other mistake you are doing is to say that there is
> 4^3000000000
> combinations of the human genome. If you change too much of
> the genome
> it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent and you
> could end up
> with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice. Even
> yeast shares
> a lot of genes with humans.
> More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up of
> junk. Repeated
> expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution and
> remains of
> viruses.
>
> Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change a
> lot of
> different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at the
> divergence
> between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created a 5%
> difference
> between our species. If we take a simplistic view and
> translate that
> into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to compare.
> (It is moved
> parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed
> parts.) we have an
> approximately difference of 5% of 3 billion, or 150 million
> base pairs
> over 5 million years, or 30 base pairs per year (15 per
> specie). Not
> that big a number at all.
>
> So I don't find any problems with the reproduction rates
> compared to the
> complexity of our DNA.
>
> Btw I believe there is life in other places of the universe
> but that is
> only a belief. I have no proof of existence or absence. The
> only thing I
> know is that we soon have the tools to detect traces of
> life if it
> exists in our stellar vicinity.... and that the scientific
> debate
> following a possible find will make the meteorite list seem
> dull.
>
> :-)
>
> /G?ran
>
>
> Steve Dunklee wrote:
> > the fastest reproducing micro organism has a
> reproduction rate of once every ten minutes.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe
> >
> > this reproduction rate if there was one change in dna
> every ten minutes would result in just shy of 53
> billion? different combinations in a billion
> years.? different combinations of dna.
> >? the oldest life on earth is 3.5 billion years
> ago but the change to multi cellular organisms was only
> about 1 billion years ago with stromatolites.
> >? ? the human genome has 4 to the 3 billionth
> power of genetic combinations in its dna and a reproduction
> rate of once every 9 months. as species become more complex
> the reproduction rate decreases.
> >
> > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html
> >
> >? 4 to the 3 billionth power is way over the
> possible 52 billion combinitations assuming one change every
> ten minutes which we all know is impossible.
> >? the only possible explaination of the complexity
> of the human genome and other forms of life on earth is that
> life could not possibly have formed on earth. there has not
> been enough time! even at one surviable change every ten
> minutes. at one change every ten minutes it would still take
> over 2 billion years.
> >
> > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe
> >
> > http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1658283.htm
> >
> >? I know I don't have all the answeres but it's
> hard to ignore real science of reproduction rates as
> compared to our dna. and the amount of time it takes for
> reproduction to occure.
> >? ???In short we are the aliens!
> > eve a great day!
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
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