[meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

From: Eduardo <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:10:56 -0300
Message-ID: <B0000044636_at_webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi Martin

Campo del Cielo is a special case.
There is a provincial law from 1970 that protect all the meteorites from
Chaco province.
Although some part of the Campo del Cielo strewnfield (about 5%) is in
Santiago del Estero province, when you get to customs you have to prove
that they were collected in Santiago province before December 2008, or in
Chaco province before 1970 something really hard to do.
Only the very old Campo specimens already exported before 1970 are OK.

About pre-dated new finds, well there is always the chance that you can be
caught in the lie. Not exactly a pre-dated, but think in Berduc. Some
started to sell them as "Arroyo Malo" and were disacredited as soon as it
was published. I guess a lot of people loose money there as now they can't
legally resell them and have in hands illegally exported Berduc meteorites.

There are a few Argentine meteorites actually under analysis, really
collected before the law (actually their analysis started before Dec.
2008) but any new "old find" is questionable.
On the other hand, a newly found La Criolla specimen can be easily be
passed as an old one from that fall. Unless somebody catch the hunter at
the moment of find it is hard to prove it was not found 5 or 10 years ago.

Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:36:38 +0200
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades

> Hi Eduardo,
>
> does that mean, that e.g. Campos found before the end of 2007 can still
> be
> exported from Argentina without permit?
>
> If yes, why was Eric Twelker then attacked?
>
> And what shall this law prevent, if all further finds, without new
> observed
> falls, could be pre-dated by finders...
>
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Eduardo
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. Oktober 2009 16:48
> An: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
>
> Hi Martin and Andre
> That's not right.
> The Argentine law specifically mention NEW finds and falls. Until now
> the
> only two meteorites involved are Berduc and Santa Lucia (both falls
> from
> 2008)
> A museum can legally export older finds and falls (December 2007)
> Eduardo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:01:15 +0200
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
>
> > Hi Andr?,
> >
> > I guess, you have to delete Argentina from your list.
> > I'm not fully sure about, but due to the new legislation, where
> > Argentinean
> > meteorites are handled like artefacts, they aren't allowed to be
> > exported
> > anymore.
> > It is hard for the Argentinean curators and scientists, but I fear,
> > they
> > will have to do without meteorites as consequence of the new law. Or
> > better
> > to say, from now on, they rather have to purchase new material,
> because
> > the
> > most cost-effective way, the swapping and trading is now blocked.
> > Even if there shall be a possibility to acquire special permits (?),
> > I doubt, that anyone of the main suppliers of important meteorites,
> not
> > to
> > mention the private collectors, would be willing to occupy himself
> with
> > all
> > that paperwork.
> >
> > I think this was also the main reason, why so few only gave
> meteorites
> > on
> > loan to Andrzej's exhibition - cause with the new Polish export
> > prohibition,
> > they weren't sure, whether they would get their pieces back or feared
> > the
> > red tape.
> >
> > Don't know about the actual situation in Poland - we'd love to trade
> > meteorites with Polish museums, like I did sometimes in past and
> where
> > all
> > were happy - and now we have more amazing material than ever, but I
> > don't
> > know, whether that is still possible at all.
> >
> > Another terrifying aspect, aside the main problem of the breaking
> down
> > of
> > the number of newly recovered meteorites - how harmful improper laws
> > created
> > without expert knowledge are for meteorite science and the
> > institutional and
> > national collections.
> >
> > Very worrying, the developments of the recent years..
> >
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> > Andr?
> > Moutinho
> > Gesendet: Montag, 12. Oktober 2009 05:22
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Southern America museuns meteorite trades
> >
> > Hello, there anyone here that belongs to a museum in Southern America
> > (Argentina, Peru, Brazil, etc) that may be interest in trades?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andr?
> > IMCA #2731
> > http://moutinho.astrodatabase.net
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