[meteorite-list] Giving Help on list

From: Michael Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:07:12 -0800
Message-ID: <C7246A10.90C5%mlblood_at_cox.net>

In my opinion,
        Dave & Howard BOTH present excellent points of view.
When IS it "asking too much" when people are asking advice?
Some likely resent it when Chicago Steve asks a question of the
List he could easily look up, himself, for instance. On the other
Hand, part of the value of the list is people helping people.
        As for "helping the competition" - there are many complexities
Involved here: Certainly, if a person has found a strewn field, or
A rich portion of a strewn field, he would not likely share that,
Nor should he be expected to share that, with just anyone. Perhaps
One or two friends that do the same for him, but certainly not
Everyone on the list. (Someone likened this to telling everyone
Where you found gold).
        On the other hand, if someone asks the list membership about
The best saw blade makes for cutting irons, or the best "all around"
Lapidary saw for the amateur, or the like, those are certainly questions
Those with more expereince should readily be willing to share.
       There is a delicate balance for the people who make a living selling
And/or finding meteorites when it comes to other dealers. I always
Prefer cooperation but almost always find a "competition" head set
As far as other dealers go. So, there are 6 or 8 dealers I "work with"
In a far more generous manor than other dealers which have clearly
Related to me as though my success were taking away from their
Success. This is an unfortunate way of looking at the situation in
Many cases, but quite factual in others. - see above re "finding gold."
        In short, it ain't all that simple, but cooperation is the ideal in
Many if not most cases.
        Best wishes, Michael


On 11/14/09 10:20 AM, "dave carothers" <carothersdl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Howard,
>
> Respectfully...
>
> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the veterans
> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to .... Hunt Meteorites or
> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and do your own
> legwork."
>
> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for advice or
> assistance? Go back through the history of this list and you will see
> literally thousands of instances where dealers and professional hunters have
> freely offered advice and assistance to "newbies". You don't think people
> stay on this list for the ads, do you? You don't think people stay on this
> list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do you? I personally stay on
> this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for advice and assistance
> from the pros.
>
> I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why dealers and
> professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to "newbies", but
> suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands of others over
> the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance offered by ANYONE on
> this list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD
> HORSEIs toMorocco
>
>
>>
>> My point is, and perhaps you can explain why......... Any meteorite
>> dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how be a competitor?
>>
>> Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a restaurant?
>>
>> The logic that is used by some of these newbies is what is moronic. I
>> don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect anyone to teach me how
>> to be a competitor.
>>
>> Respectfully yours.....
>>
>> Howard Steffic
>>
>>
>>> From: carothersdl at gmail.com
>>> To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD
>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:15 -0500
>>>
>>> Howard,
>>>
>>> Your comment is moronic. This group is as much about posting information
>>> to
>>> assist "newbies" as anything else. You should know better.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:17 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD
>>> HORSEIs toMorocco
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone else getting tired of this moronic discussion?
>>>>
>>>> I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the veterans with the battle scars
>>>> to
>>>> tell them exacty how to .... Hunt Meteorites or Sell on Ebay or send
>>>> money overseas. Get off the couch and do your own legwork.
>>>>
>>>> Now lets give this thread a proper burrial and get back to meteorites.
>>>> Didn't someone actually find something (like a meteorite not an alien)
>>>> that we can talk about?
>>>>
>>>> Howard Steffic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:54:25 -0800
>>>>> From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
>>>>> searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada
>>>>> toMorocco
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Brian and all,
>>>>> MoneyGram is available in Morocco, and Abdellah is a good person five
>>>>> stars in honesty and trust.
>>>>> My best
>>>>> Aziz
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada
>>>>>> toMorocco
>>>>>> To: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>,
>>>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:39 PM
>>>>>> Hi Melanie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad you are on top of this and that you are keeping in
>>>>>> touch with the seller. I'm glad he's mailing back your
>>>>>> postal money order. Hopefully the Moneyram will work out and
>>>>>> he'll accept it as he said and you'll get your new
>>>>>> meteorites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you all the best and hope that you receive some
>>>>>> really great and rare meteorites in the group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Matthews"
>>>>>> <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:15 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments
>>>>>> from Canada toMorocco
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Brian, listers.
>>>>>> Actually it was a postal money order that I
>>>>>> mailed out to him (Mr. Abdellah Afiniss), and yes it
>>>>>> included the cost
>>>>>> of the stones plus the shipping costs. I asked him to mail
>>>>>> it back to
>>>>>> me and he said he did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once I get the slip back I'm going to
>>>>>> get back the money I put onto it and re-send the payment to
>>>>>> him -
>>>>>> probably via Moneygram (which he told me he accepts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At first offered me a lot total of 8.5 kgs of chondrites
>>>>>> (all
>>>>>> unclassified),, knowing full well I couldn't afford all
>>>>>> that I circled
>>>>>> some stones in Paint.net (free image editing program
>>>>>> similar to
>>>>>> MSPaint) that I wanted in the photographs, emailed back to
>>>>>> him and
>>>>>> kindly asked him to send me images of each meteorite I
>>>>>> picked sitting
>>>>>> on the scale to show their weights... I then worked out the
>>>>>> prices
>>>>>> until I made the final decition on buying five rocks
>>>>>> together weighing
>>>>>> 837 grams..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said he has been very cooperative, and I thanks him
>>>>>> and I thank all here on the list for their
>>>>>> input/suggestions!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>> Melanie
>>>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you
>>>>>> never know what you're gonna get!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:13 -0600
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
>>>>>> payments from Canada to Morocco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Melanie and list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In regards to your question of sending payments to
>>>>>> Morocco, I have to ask a
>>>>>>> couple of questions and others also mentioned they
>>>>>> weren't clear on your
>>>>>>> question since you didn't seem to be including
>>>>>> shipping costs. I'd like to
>>>>>>> help you out and I mean this in the most thoughtful
>>>>>> and kindest way
>>>>>>> possible, so please don't take it negatively or have
>>>>>> any anger towards me.
>>>>>>> Make sure you include shipping costs when you were
>>>>>> determining the total
>>>>>>> amount of the payment you need to send to the seller
>>>>>> and then send a check
>>>>>>> and then say you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping
>>>>>> costs if that is what
>>>>>>> you agreed to buy from the seller? You have said this
>>>>>> in the past about not
>>>>>>> having money to pay for something or to pay for the
>>>>>> shipping costs. It's
>>>>>>> good to ask for help if you are not experienced in
>>>>>> sending payments outside
>>>>>>> of Canada beyond Paypal. This sounds like you decided
>>>>>> to send a check for
>>>>>>> the meteorites and then were going to decide about a
>>>>>> payment for the
>>>>>>> "shipping" as a separate payment or to pay for
>>>>>> shipping later on. Is this
>>>>>>> why you stated you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping
>>>>>> costs after you had
>>>>>>> sent your personal Canadian paper check? This doesn't
>>>>>> sound right why you
>>>>>>> wouldn't determine the full amount due to the seller
>>>>>> for the items with
>>>>>>> shipping and or insurance and then send one payment
>>>>>> and later decide you
>>>>>>> couldn't afford the shipping costs they gave you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, you stated you sent a "Paper Check" which, as I
>>>>>> am thinking is a
>>>>>>> "personal check" from your personal Canadian bank
>>>>>> account by what you wrote.
>>>>>>> I'm confused to why would you think that a personal
>>>>>> check from your Canadian
>>>>>>> bank account would be "valid" as you say, to a dealer
>>>>>> in Morocco, which I am
>>>>>>> sure it is valid in Canada and you have money in your
>>>>>> account, but most
>>>>>>> likely would not be accepted in Morocco or any other
>>>>>> country? You don't
>>>>>>> often hear of dealers in Asia, Africa, Europe or for
>>>>>> the most part any
>>>>>>> dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in North or South
>>>>>> America or Australia that
>>>>>>> would accept a personal Paper check from a bank in a
>>>>>> different country,
>>>>>>> although it may happen. A check from a Canadian bank
>>>>>> account or from a U.S.
>>>>>>> bank account or any personal paper check from any
>>>>>> other country most likely
>>>>>>> won't be accepted unless they verified with their bank
>>>>>> first that they could
>>>>>>> accept that check. An example would be if there was
>>>>>> Citibank in Canada and
>>>>>>> then Citibank in the U.S. would accept that check or
>>>>>> Citibank in England,
>>>>>>> etc. .I'm sure if the check was from a bank that had a
>>>>>> branch in that
>>>>>>> country that it would be accepted, but it usually
>>>>>> creates a hassle and is
>>>>>>> time consuming to stand in line or through an ATM. As
>>>>>> several members
>>>>>>> mentioned bank wire is the safest and then probably
>>>>>> FedEx payment, but
>>>>>>> sending a paper check or money order isn't a good idea
>>>>>> as Gary mentioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to help
>>>>>> you out. Please make
>>>>>>> sure you discuss all the facts and figures with any
>>>>>> dealer/collector
>>>>>>> anywhere in the world before closing a deal. Remember
>>>>>> you are entering a
>>>>>>> contract with this dealer, whether it is on ebay or
>>>>>> through their website or
>>>>>>> through correspondence with the dealer. On ebay this
>>>>>> is stated as you are
>>>>>>> entering a contract so be mindful of this. You need to
>>>>>> finalize all costs.
>>>>>>> You need to get the full amount that you owe in
>>>>>> writing, email, etc. for the
>>>>>>> meteorites and any insurance and shipping and then you
>>>>>> need to first discuss
>>>>>>> the method of payment to that dealer before you send
>>>>>> any payment. I think
>>>>>>> your first mistake here was that it sounds as if you
>>>>>> didn't determine the
>>>>>>> full costs of the meteorites with shipping, then you
>>>>>> didn't ask the seller
>>>>>>> if he or she would accept a "Personal Paper Check from
>>>>>> another country. I
>>>>>>> think you will have much better luck and increase good
>>>>>> relations with
>>>>>>> dealers through online sales, ebay and through the
>>>>>> different meteorite lists
>>>>>>> you if you slow down and get the facts before making
>>>>>> purchases and payments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you have written on your posts the equivalent of
>>>>>> The Tom Hanks character
>>>>>>> from the Forest Gump movie, "Life is like a box of
>>>>>> chocolates." You need
>>>>>>> to stop and think that your eyes are bigger than your
>>>>>> stomach and stop and
>>>>>>> think of what you are wanting to bid on or buy first
>>>>>> and how to pay for it.
>>>>>>> There is an old saying in America that you may or may
>>>>>> not know in Canada.
>>>>>>> "Your eyes are bigger than your stomach" which roughly
>>>>>> means you saw the
>>>>>>> food on the menu and you ordered all that looked good
>>>>>> to eat, but your
>>>>>>> stomach wasn't big enough to eat it all and you became
>>>>>> very full before you
>>>>>>> could finish the meal. This is the same as the child
>>>>>> that fills their plate
>>>>>>> up and can't eat it all at home. This also goes along
>>>>>> with shopping at the
>>>>>>> store when you are hungry and buying too much, as in
>>>>>> buying more goodies
>>>>>>> than you needed. In this case looking at meteorites
>>>>>> you want to buy and then
>>>>>>> not carefully researching making a payment and then
>>>>>> feeling full of
>>>>>>> frustration and aggravation at how to make the payment
>>>>>> or what road to go
>>>>>>> down. I truly hope this helps in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer
>>>>>> for a lot of
>>>>>>> chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he
>>>>>> told me that the banks
>>>>>>> over there don't recognize it even though it is
>>>>>> completely valid. I can't
>>>>>>> afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I
>>>>>> want - which will be
>>>>>>> over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options
>>>>>> do you suggest?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------
>>>>>>> Melanie
>>>>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>>>>>
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