[meteorite-list] BEATING A DEAD HORSE - The future and beyond

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:46:35 -0800 (PST)
Message-ID: <810071.98066.qm_at_web46409.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I would have to agree with you Dave.

I also think that it shows a good deal about someone who is willing to help others, just as it shows a good deal about those that are not willing.

Howards comments reflect a perfect example of why I have grown to have the impression that meteorites are dog eat dog and question motives and reasons for certain things.

Should we really look at educating and helping newer collectors and tomorrows hunters/dealers as "bad" and "training the competition" or should we look at it as making sure those that will take the reigns of this great hobby have learned from those that know how to do it right?

Sure to some, meteorites are simply that "gold mine" or "money falling from the sky" while to others, meteorites offer a chance to take part in something, to learn about and take part in the study of space and history.

I guess it all comes down to why people are into meteorites... For money, or for the science of meteoritics. sure the money is good, I wont deny that, but is that all its really about? No.

We are gifted with some wonderful things from outside this planet that we would never be able to touch, test, learn from or anything else many claim to value and want to preserve. With that in mind, should it not be in all of our best interests to make sure that the future generation has learned from those that know how to properly document, record, preserve and care for the collections we value so much today?

Sure, some may look at it as training competition, but perhaps they should really look at it as passing on a gift of knowledge to those that will follow in the footsteps of the path they have already traveled...

just my 2 pennies, hope everyone is having a good day!


Greg C.
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA 4682
 

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, dave carothers <carothersdl at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: dave carothers <carothersdl at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD HORSEIs toMorocco
> To: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 1:20 PM
> Howard,
>
> Respectfully...
>
> Reference your comment "I laugh at how the "newbies" expect
> the veterans
> with the battle scars to tell them exacty how to .... Hunt
> Meteorites or
> Sell on Ebay or send money overseas. Get off the couch and
> do your own
> legwork."
>
> Why should it bother YOU that someone should ask for for
> advice or
> assistance?? Go back through the history of this list
> and you will see
> literally thousands of instances where dealers and
> professional hunters have
> freely offered advice and assistance to
> "newbies".???You don't think people
> stay on this list for the ads, do you?? You don't
> think people stay on this
> list for the disputes, cyber fist fights, etc, do
> you?? I personally stay on
> this list (and I'm sure other do to) so we CAN ask for
> advice and assistance
> from the pros.
>
> I won't answer as to the motives or rationale of why
> dealers and
> professional hunters freely offer advice and assistance to
> "newbies", but
> suffice to say that I (and I know hundreds, maybe thousands
> of others over
> the history of this list) appreciate ALL the assistance
> offered by ANYONE on
> this list.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments -
> BEATING A DEAD
> HORSEIs toMorocco
>
>
> >
> > My point is, and perhaps you can explain
> why.........? Any meteorite
> > dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how
> be a competitor?
> >
> > Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a
> restaurant?
> >
> > The logic that is used by some of these newbies is
> what is moronic.? I
> > don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect
> anyone to teach me how
> > to be a competitor.
> >
> > Respectfully yours.....
> >
> > Howard Steffic
> >
> >
> >> From: carothersdl at gmail.com
> >> To: bencubbin at hotmail.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
> payments - BEATING A DEAD
> >> HORSEIs toMorocco
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:15 -0500
> >>
> >> Howard,
> >>
> >> Your comment is moronic. This group is as much
> about posting information
> >> to
> >> assist "newbies" as anything else. You should know
> better.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
> >> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:17 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
> payments - BEATING A DEAD
> >> HORSEIs toMorocco
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Is anyone else getting tired of this moronic
> discussion?
> >>>
> >>> I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the
> veterans with the battle scars
> >>> to
> >>> tell them exacty how to .... Hunt Meteorites
> or Sell on Ebay or send
> >>> money overseas. Get off the couch and do your
> own legwork.
> >>>
> >>> Now lets give this thread a proper burrial and
> get back to meteorites.
> >>> Didn't someone actually find something (like a
> meteorite not an alien)
> >>> that we can talk about?
> >>>
> >>> Howard Steffic
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:54:25 -0800
> >>>> From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com
> >>>> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com;
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
> >>>> searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to
> send payments from Canada
> >>>> toMorocco
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Brian and all,
> >>>> MoneyGram is available in Morocco, and
> Abdellah is a good person five
> >>>> stars in honesty and trust.
> >>>> My best
> >>>> Aziz
> >>>>
> >>>> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best
> ways to send payments from Canada
> >>>>> toMorocco
> >>>>> To: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>,
> >>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>>> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:39
> PM
> >>>>> Hi Melanie,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm glad you are on top of this and
> that you are keeping in
> >>>>> touch with the seller. I'm glad he's
> mailing back your
> >>>>> postal money order. Hopefully the
> Moneyram will work out and
> >>>>> he'll accept it as he said and you'll
> get your new
> >>>>> meteorites.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wish you all the best and hope that
> you receive some
> >>>>> really great and rare meteorites in
> the group.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Have a great day!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brian
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Melanie Matthews"
> >>>>> <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
> >>>>> To: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>;
> >>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:15
> AM
> >>>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Best
> ways to send payments
> >>>>> from Canada toMorocco
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Brian, listers.
> >>>>> Actually it was a postal money order
> that I
> >>>>> mailed out to him (Mr. Abdellah
> Afiniss), and yes it
> >>>>> included the cost
> >>>>> of the stones plus the shipping costs.
> I asked him to mail
> >>>>> it back to
> >>>>> me and he said he did.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once I get the slip back I'm going to
> >>>>> get back the money I put onto it and
> re-send the payment to
> >>>>> him -
> >>>>> probably via Moneygram (which he told
> me he accepts).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At first offered me a lot total of 8.5
> kgs of chondrites
> >>>>> (all
> >>>>> unclassified),, knowing full well I
> couldn't afford all
> >>>>> that I circled
> >>>>> some stones in Paint.net (free image
> editing program
> >>>>> similar to
> >>>>> MSPaint) that I wanted in the
> photographs, emailed back to
> >>>>> him and
> >>>>> kindly asked him to send me images of
> each meteorite I
> >>>>> picked sitting
> >>>>> on the scale to show their weights...
> I then worked out the
> >>>>> prices
> >>>>> until I made the final decition on
> buying five rocks
> >>>>> together weighing
> >>>>> 837 grams..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As I said he has been very
> cooperative, and I thanks him
> >>>>> and I thank all here on the list for
> their
> >>>>> input/suggestions!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----------
> >>>>> Melanie
> >>>>> IMCA: 2975
> >>>>> eBay: metmel2775
> >>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as
> SpaceCollector09
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box
> of chocolates... you
> >>>>> never know what you're gonna get!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ----------------------------------------
> >>>>>> From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
> >>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:13
> -0600
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best
> ways to send
> >>>>> payments from Canada to Morocco
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello Melanie and list,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In regards to your question of
> sending payments to
> >>>>> Morocco, I have to ask a
> >>>>>> couple of questions and others
> also mentioned they
> >>>>> weren't clear on your
> >>>>>> question since you didn't seem to
> be including
> >>>>> shipping costs. I'd like to
> >>>>>> help you out and I mean this in
> the most thoughtful
> >>>>> and kindest way
> >>>>>> possible, so please don't take it
> negatively or have
> >>>>> any anger towards me.
> >>>>>> Make sure you include shipping
> costs when you were
> >>>>> determining the total
> >>>>>> amount of the payment you need to
> send to the seller
> >>>>> and then send a check
> >>>>>> and then say you couldn't afford
> the FedEx shipping
> >>>>> costs if that is what
> >>>>>> you agreed to buy from the seller?
> You have said this
> >>>>> in the past about not
> >>>>>> having money to pay for something
> or to pay for the
> >>>>> shipping costs. It's
> >>>>>> good to ask for help if you are
> not experienced in
> >>>>> sending payments outside
> >>>>>> of Canada beyond Paypal. This
> sounds like you decided
> >>>>> to send a check for
> >>>>>> the meteorites and then were going
> to decide about a
> >>>>> payment for the
> >>>>>> "shipping" as a separate payment
> or to pay for
> >>>>> shipping later on. Is this
> >>>>>> why you stated you couldn't afford
> the FedEx shipping
> >>>>> costs after you had
> >>>>>> sent your personal Canadian paper
> check? This doesn't
> >>>>> sound right why you
> >>>>>> wouldn't determine the full amount
> due to the seller
> >>>>> for the items with
> >>>>>> shipping and or insurance and then
> send one payment
> >>>>> and later decide you
> >>>>>> couldn't afford the shipping costs
> they gave you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, you stated you sent a "Paper
> Check" which, as I
> >>>>> am thinking is a
> >>>>>> "personal check" from your
> personal Canadian bank
> >>>>> account by what you wrote.
> >>>>>> I'm confused to why would you
> think that a personal
> >>>>> check from your Canadian
> >>>>>> bank account would be "valid" as
> you say, to a dealer
> >>>>> in Morocco, which I am
> >>>>>> sure it is valid in Canada and you
> have money in your
> >>>>> account, but most
> >>>>>> likely would not be accepted in
> Morocco or any other
> >>>>> country? You don't
> >>>>>> often hear of dealers in Asia,
> Africa, Europe or for
> >>>>> the most part any
> >>>>>> dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in
> North or South
> >>>>> America or Australia that
> >>>>>> would accept a personal Paper
> check from a bank in a
> >>>>> different country,
> >>>>>> although it may happen. A check
> from a Canadian bank
> >>>>> account or from a U.S.
> >>>>>> bank account or any personal paper
> check from any
> >>>>> other country most likely
> >>>>>> won't be accepted unless they
> verified with their bank
> >>>>> first that they could
> >>>>>> accept that check. An example
> would be if there was
> >>>>> Citibank in Canada and
> >>>>>> then Citibank in the U.S. would
> accept that check or
> >>>>> Citibank in England,
> >>>>>> etc. .I'm sure if the check was
> from a bank that had a
> >>>>> branch in that
> >>>>>> country that it would be accepted,
> but it usually
> >>>>> creates a hassle and is
> >>>>>> time consuming to stand in line or
> through an ATM. As
> >>>>> several members
> >>>>>> mentioned bank wire is the safest
> and then probably
> >>>>> FedEx payment, but
> >>>>>> sending a paper check or money
> order isn't a good idea
> >>>>> as Gary mentioned.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to offer a friendly
> suggestion to help
> >>>>> you out. Please make
> >>>>>> sure you discuss all the facts and
> figures with any
> >>>>> dealer/collector
> >>>>>> anywhere in the world before
> closing a deal. Remember
> >>>>> you are entering a
> >>>>>> contract with this dealer, whether
> it is on ebay or
> >>>>> through their website or
> >>>>>> through correspondence with the
> dealer. On ebay this
> >>>>> is stated as you are
> >>>>>> entering a contract so be mindful
> of this. You need to
> >>>>> finalize all costs.
> >>>>>> You need to get the full amount
> that you owe in
> >>>>> writing, email, etc. for the
> >>>>>> meteorites and any insurance and
> shipping and then you
> >>>>> need to first discuss
> >>>>>> the method of payment to that
> dealer before you send
> >>>>> any payment. I think
> >>>>>> your first mistake here was that
> it sounds as if you
> >>>>> didn't determine the
> >>>>>> full costs of the meteorites with
> shipping, then you
> >>>>> didn't ask the seller
> >>>>>> if he or she would accept a
> "Personal Paper Check from
> >>>>> another country. I
> >>>>>> think you will have much better
> luck and increase good
> >>>>> relations with
> >>>>>> dealers through online sales, ebay
> and through the
> >>>>> different meteorite lists
> >>>>>> you if you slow down and get the
> facts before making
> >>>>> purchases and payments.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As you have written on your posts
> the equivalent of
> >>>>> The Tom Hanks character
> >>>>>> from the Forest Gump movie, "Life
> is like a box of
> >>>>> chocolates." You need
> >>>>>> to stop and think that your eyes
> are bigger than your
> >>>>> stomach and stop and
> >>>>>> think of what you are wanting to
> bid on or buy first
> >>>>> and how to pay for it.
> >>>>>> There is an old saying in America
> that you may or may
> >>>>> not know in Canada.
> >>>>>> "Your eyes are bigger than your
> stomach" which roughly
> >>>>> means you saw the
> >>>>>> food on the menu and you ordered
> all that looked good
> >>>>> to eat, but your
> >>>>>> stomach wasn't big enough to eat
> it all and you became
> >>>>> very full before you
> >>>>>> could finish the meal. This is the
> same as the child
> >>>>> that fills their plate
> >>>>>> up and can't eat it all at home.
> This also goes along
> >>>>> with shopping at the
> >>>>>> store when you are hungry and
> buying too much, as in
> >>>>> buying more goodies
> >>>>>> than you needed. In this case
> looking at meteorites
> >>>>> you want to buy and then
> >>>>>> not carefully researching making a
> payment and then
> >>>>> feeling full of
> >>>>>> frustration and aggravation at how
> to make the payment
> >>>>> or what road to go
> >>>>>> down. I truly hope this helps in
> the future.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Have a great day!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Brian
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best ways to send payments from
> Canada to Morocco
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi list,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please help - I mailed a payment
> to a Moroccan dealer
> >>>>> for a lot of
> >>>>>> chondrites via a paper check, he
> got it today, but he
> >>>>> told me that the banks
> >>>>>> over there don't recognize it even
> though it is
> >>>>> completely valid. I can't
> >>>>>> afford the shipping costs through
> FedEx for the lot I
> >>>>> want - which will be
> >>>>>> over $200 CND... so what other
> less expensive options
> >>>>> do you suggest?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you in advance
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----------
> >>>>>> Melanie
> >>>>>> IMCA: 2975
> >>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
> >>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as
> SpaceCollector09
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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