[meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD HORSEIs toMorocco

From: Howard Steffic <bencubbin_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:35:59 -0700
Message-ID: <COL121-W38E9DFCB3C3A256A055012B7A70_at_phx.gbl>

My point is, and perhaps you can explain why......... Any meteorite dealer or professional hunter should teach anybody how be a competitor?

Do you think McDonalds would teach you how to run a restaurant?
 
The logic that is used by some of these newbies is what is moronic. I don't hunt or sell but if I did, I wouldn't expect anyone to teach me how to be a competitor.
 
Respectfully yours.....

Howard Steffic


> From: carothersdl at gmail.com
> To: bencubbin at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD HORSEIs toMorocco
> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:42:15 -0500
>
> Howard,
>
> Your comment is moronic. This group is as much about posting information to
> assist "newbies" as anything else. You should know better.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard Steffic" <bencubbin at hotmail.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 2:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments - BEATING A DEAD
> HORSEIs toMorocco
>
>
>>
>> Is anyone else getting tired of this moronic discussion?
>>
>> I laugh at how the "newbies" expect the veterans with the battle scars to
>> tell them exacty how to .... Hunt Meteorites or Sell on Ebay or send
>> money overseas. Get off the couch and do your own legwork.
>>
>> Now lets give this thread a proper burrial and get back to meteorites.
>> Didn't someone actually find something (like a meteorite not an alien)
>> that we can talk about?
>>
>> Howard Steffic
>>
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:54:25 -0800
>>> From: abdelaziz_alhyane at yahoo.com
>>> To: spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com;
>>> searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada
>>> toMorocco
>>>
>>> Hello Brian and all,
>>> MoneyGram is available in Morocco, and Abdellah is a good person five
>>> stars in honesty and trust.
>>> My best
>>> Aziz
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada
>>>> toMorocco
>>>> To: "Melanie Matthews" <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>,
>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 2:39 PM
>>>> Hi Melanie,
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad you are on top of this and that you are keeping in
>>>> touch with the seller. I'm glad he's mailing back your
>>>> postal money order. Hopefully the Moneyram will work out and
>>>> he'll accept it as he said and you'll get your new
>>>> meteorites.
>>>>
>>>> I wish you all the best and hope that you receive some
>>>> really great and rare meteorites in the group.
>>>>
>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Matthews"
>>>> <spacewoman2775 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>;
>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:15 AM
>>>> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments
>>>> from Canada toMorocco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Brian, listers.
>>>> Actually it was a postal money order that I
>>>> mailed out to him (Mr. Abdellah Afiniss), and yes it
>>>> included the cost
>>>> of the stones plus the shipping costs. I asked him to mail
>>>> it back to
>>>> me and he said he did.
>>>>
>>>> Once I get the slip back I'm going to
>>>> get back the money I put onto it and re-send the payment to
>>>> him -
>>>> probably via Moneygram (which he told me he accepts).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At first offered me a lot total of 8.5 kgs of chondrites
>>>> (all
>>>> unclassified),, knowing full well I couldn't afford all
>>>> that I circled
>>>> some stones in Paint.net (free image editing program
>>>> similar to
>>>> MSPaint) that I wanted in the photographs, emailed back to
>>>> him and
>>>> kindly asked him to send me images of each meteorite I
>>>> picked sitting
>>>> on the scale to show their weights... I then worked out the
>>>> prices
>>>> until I made the final decition on buying five rocks
>>>> together weighing
>>>> 837 grams..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As I said he has been very cooperative, and I thanks him
>>>> and I thank all here on the list for their
>>>> input/suggestions!
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>> Melanie
>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>>
>>>> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you
>>>> never know what you're gonna get!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>> From: searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:13 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send
>>>> payments from Canada to Morocco
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Melanie and list,
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to your question of sending payments to
>>>> Morocco, I have to ask a
>>>>> couple of questions and others also mentioned they
>>>> weren't clear on your
>>>>> question since you didn't seem to be including
>>>> shipping costs. I'd like to
>>>>> help you out and I mean this in the most thoughtful
>>>> and kindest way
>>>>> possible, so please don't take it negatively or have
>>>> any anger towards me.
>>>>> Make sure you include shipping costs when you were
>>>> determining the total
>>>>> amount of the payment you need to send to the seller
>>>> and then send a check
>>>>> and then say you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping
>>>> costs if that is what
>>>>> you agreed to buy from the seller? You have said this
>>>> in the past about not
>>>>> having money to pay for something or to pay for the
>>>> shipping costs. It's
>>>>> good to ask for help if you are not experienced in
>>>> sending payments outside
>>>>> of Canada beyond Paypal. This sounds like you decided
>>>> to send a check for
>>>>> the meteorites and then were going to decide about a
>>>> payment for the
>>>>> "shipping" as a separate payment or to pay for
>>>> shipping later on. Is this
>>>>> why you stated you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping
>>>> costs after you had
>>>>> sent your personal Canadian paper check? This doesn't
>>>> sound right why you
>>>>> wouldn't determine the full amount due to the seller
>>>> for the items with
>>>>> shipping and or insurance and then send one payment
>>>> and later decide you
>>>>> couldn't afford the shipping costs they gave you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, you stated you sent a "Paper Check" which, as I
>>>> am thinking is a
>>>>> "personal check" from your personal Canadian bank
>>>> account by what you wrote.
>>>>> I'm confused to why would you think that a personal
>>>> check from your Canadian
>>>>> bank account would be "valid" as you say, to a dealer
>>>> in Morocco, which I am
>>>>> sure it is valid in Canada and you have money in your
>>>> account, but most
>>>>> likely would not be accepted in Morocco or any other
>>>> country? You don't
>>>>> often hear of dealers in Asia, Africa, Europe or for
>>>> the most part any
>>>>> dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in North or South
>>>> America or Australia that
>>>>> would accept a personal Paper check from a bank in a
>>>> different country,
>>>>> although it may happen. A check from a Canadian bank
>>>> account or from a U.S.
>>>>> bank account or any personal paper check from any
>>>> other country most likely
>>>>> won't be accepted unless they verified with their bank
>>>> first that they could
>>>>> accept that check. An example would be if there was
>>>> Citibank in Canada and
>>>>> then Citibank in the U.S. would accept that check or
>>>> Citibank in England,
>>>>> etc. .I'm sure if the check was from a bank that had a
>>>> branch in that
>>>>> country that it would be accepted, but it usually
>>>> creates a hassle and is
>>>>> time consuming to stand in line or through an ATM. As
>>>> several members
>>>>> mentioned bank wire is the safest and then probably
>>>> FedEx payment, but
>>>>> sending a paper check or money order isn't a good idea
>>>> as Gary mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to help
>>>> you out. Please make
>>>>> sure you discuss all the facts and figures with any
>>>> dealer/collector
>>>>> anywhere in the world before closing a deal. Remember
>>>> you are entering a
>>>>> contract with this dealer, whether it is on ebay or
>>>> through their website or
>>>>> through correspondence with the dealer. On ebay this
>>>> is stated as you are
>>>>> entering a contract so be mindful of this. You need to
>>>> finalize all costs.
>>>>> You need to get the full amount that you owe in
>>>> writing, email, etc. for the
>>>>> meteorites and any insurance and shipping and then you
>>>> need to first discuss
>>>>> the method of payment to that dealer before you send
>>>> any payment. I think
>>>>> your first mistake here was that it sounds as if you
>>>> didn't determine the
>>>>> full costs of the meteorites with shipping, then you
>>>> didn't ask the seller
>>>>> if he or she would accept a "Personal Paper Check from
>>>> another country. I
>>>>> think you will have much better luck and increase good
>>>> relations with
>>>>> dealers through online sales, ebay and through the
>>>> different meteorite lists
>>>>> you if you slow down and get the facts before making
>>>> purchases and payments.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you have written on your posts the equivalent of
>>>> The Tom Hanks character
>>>>> from the Forest Gump movie, "Life is like a box of
>>>> chocolates." You need
>>>>> to stop and think that your eyes are bigger than your
>>>> stomach and stop and
>>>>> think of what you are wanting to bid on or buy first
>>>> and how to pay for it.
>>>>> There is an old saying in America that you may or may
>>>> not know in Canada.
>>>>> "Your eyes are bigger than your stomach" which roughly
>>>> means you saw the
>>>>> food on the menu and you ordered all that looked good
>>>> to eat, but your
>>>>> stomach wasn't big enough to eat it all and you became
>>>> very full before you
>>>>> could finish the meal. This is the same as the child
>>>> that fills their plate
>>>>> up and can't eat it all at home. This also goes along
>>>> with shopping at the
>>>>> store when you are hungry and buying too much, as in
>>>> buying more goodies
>>>>> than you needed. In this case looking at meteorites
>>>> you want to buy and then
>>>>> not carefully researching making a payment and then
>>>> feeling full of
>>>>> frustration and aggravation at how to make the payment
>>>> or what road to go
>>>>> down. I truly hope this helps in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a great day!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer
>>>> for a lot of
>>>>> chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he
>>>> told me that the banks
>>>>> over there don't recognize it even though it is
>>>> completely valid. I can't
>>>>> afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I
>>>> want - which will be
>>>>> over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options
>>>> do you suggest?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>> Melanie
>>>>> IMCA: 2975
>>>>> eBay: metmel2775
>>>>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
>>>>>
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