[meteorite-list] Earth giving birth to moon (And Email Posting Test)

From: Jason Utas <meteoritekid_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:57:31 -0800
Message-ID: <93aaac890911021357j4fa3897ft5be4b31b686e6f32_at_mail.gmail.com>

Right, but that's the problem with what's being said in the first
place; the author acknowledges the fact that much of what he's saying
disagrees with conventional geology, and indeed, what most branches of
science have led us to believe about the history of Earth. He
accounts for this with several rather ridiculous claims - namely that
the geological record was so upset by the expulsion of the moon that
past scientists have simply been unable to correctly interpret what
they have seen - and that we now know enough to finally set things
right.
Which means that you really can't quote past geologic papers because -
as he says, they're all wrong.
He might as well be starting up a new religion.
Jason

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, <oxytropidoceras at cox.net> wrote:
> Pete Shugar on Oct. 30, 2009, asked:
> ]
> "If I have the correct read on the hypothetical----
> the moon would be only 200 ky old"
> Is this enough time for tidal action to
> bring the moon's rotation to a standstill"
> Just thinking......"
>
> No.
>
> The trouble is, as other people have pointed out, your
> question points out just one of innumerable easily
> documentable flaws in the ideas presented in the press
> release reveal the utter lack of knowledge of geology,
> astronomy, physics, and so forth of whoever wrote it.
> This article disguised as a press release reminds me
> of the worst of the class papers that I had to read and
> grade as a teaching assistant in undergraduate physical
> geology laboratory.
>
> Notice that Coleman's article about the "Big Bang
> Origin of the Moon" is not even an official article.
> Instead this article is just posted as a "press release"
> to Scoop.co.nz as a press release at
> http://www.scoop.co.nz/about/contact.html as:
>
> Peter Coleman: Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
> Wednesday, 28 October 2009, 4:39 pm
> Press Release: Peter Coleman
> http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm
>
> As far as I have found googling, no newspaper has yet
> been crazy enough to print this press release as real
> news.
>
> My favorite line of evidence completely overlooked by
> whoever wrote this paper and various other catastrophists,
> who argue that the Moon is relatively young are ancient
> tidalites that demonstrate the presence of tides and,
> thus the Moon, as far back as 3.2 million years ago in
> the Precambrian.
>
> Some web pages are:
>
> Where the Moon was at, 3.2 billion years ago
> http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2007/07/where_the_moon_was_at_32_billi.php
>
> Ancient Tides Recorded in Indiana Rocks by Erik P. Kvale
> http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/ancient/tidaltime/index.cfm
> ftp://igs.indiana.edu/pub/pdfdocuments/tideslesson.pdf
>
> Tidal rhythmites and their implications by Rajat Mazumder
> and Makoto Arima
> http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/MazumderESR2004.pdf
>
> An Analysis of Cyclic Tidal Deposits: Statistical Time Series
> Properties, Extraction of Earth-Moon Parameters, and Observed
> Intertidal Sedimentation by Christopher Lynn Coughenour
> http://idea.library.drexel.edu/bitstream/1860/3135/1/Coughenour_Christopher.pdf
>
> Implications of lunar orbital periodicity from the Chaibasa
> tidal rhythmite (India) of late Paleoproterozoic age by Rajat
> Mazumder
> http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/GEOY-32-10-841.pdf
>
> 1997, Tidalites in Big Cottonwood Canyon, with Al Archer and
> Steve Greb, during Geological Society of America Salt Lake
> City Meeting
> http://donchesnut.com/travels/geologyfield/geologyfield.html#cottonwood
>
> Some random references:
>
> Adkins, R. M. and K. A. Eriksson, 1999, Rhythmic sedimentation
> in a mid-Pennsylvanian delta front succession, Four Corners
> Formation (Breathitt Group), eastern Kentucky: a near complete
> record of daily, semi-monthly and monthly tidal periodicities.
> in Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61.
> SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.
>
> Alexander, C. R., R. A. Davis and V. J. Henry, eds., 1998,
> Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61.
> SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.
>
> Archer, A. W., 1996. Reliability of lunar orbital periods
> extracted from ancient cyclic tidal rhythmites. Earth and
> Planetary Science Letters. vol. 141, pp. 1-10.
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0012-821X(96)00063-5
>
> Archer, A. W., G. Kuecher, and E. P. Kvale, 1995. The role
> of tidal-velocity asymmetries in the deposition of silty
> tidal rhythmites (Carboniferous, Eastern Interior Coal Basin).
> Journal of Sedimentary Research. vol. A65, pp. 408-416.
> http://jsedres.sepmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/2a/408
>
> Chan, M. A., E. P. Kvale, A. W. Archer, and C. P. Sonett,
> 1994. Oldest direct evidence of lunar-solar tidal forcing
> encoded in sedimentary rhythmites, Proterozoic Big Cottonwood
> Formation, central Utah. Geology. vol. 22, pp. 791-794.
> http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/9/791
>
> Coughenour, C. L., A. W. Archer, and K. J. Lacovara, 2009,
> Tides, tidalites, and secular changes in the Earth-Moon
> system. Earth-Science Reviews, In Press, Corrected Proof,
> Available online 3 October 2009
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2009.09.002
>
> Davis, R. A., 2006, Precambrian tidalites from the Baraboo
> Quartzite Wisconsin, U.S.A. Marine Geology. vol.?235,?no. 1-4,
> pp.?247-253. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.margeo.2006.10.018
>
> Eriksson, K. A., 1977, Tidal deposits from the Archaean
> Moodies Group, Barberton Mountain Land, South Africa.?
> Sedimentary Geology. vol. 18, pp. 257-281.
> http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0037-0738(77)90015-X
>
> Eriksson, K. A., 1982, Tidalites. in Encyclopaedia of
> Science & Technology. McGraw-Hill, New york.
>
> Eriksson, K. A., and E. L. Simpson, 2000, Quantifying the
> oldest tidal record: The 3.2 Ga Moodies Group, Barberton
> Greenstone belt, South Africa. Geology. vol. 28, pp. 831-834
> http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/9/831
>
> Eriksson, K. A. and E. L. Simpson, 2004. Precambrian
> tidalites: recognition and significance. in The
> Precambrian Earth: Tempos and Events. Elsevier, New
> York.
>
> By the way:
>
> This is a test of my email posting from a non-Yahoo ISP. Somehow,
> the settings of the Yahoo email accounts changed in a way that
> introduced HTML into an email even when it is set to "plain text."
> Since I have not yet determined how to get rid of the HTML, I have
> moved to an email account on a non-Yahoo ISP. If anyone knows
> how to get rid of the HTML even in teh plain text setting, I would
> love to hear from you.
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
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