[meteorite-list] Earth giving birth to moon (And Email Posting Test)

From: oxytropidoceras at cox.net <oxytropidoceras_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:27:57 -0500
Message-ID: <20091102162757.HGFQP.572780.imail_at_eastrmwml45>

Pete Shugar on Oct. 30, 2009, asked:
]
"If I have the correct read on the hypothetical----
the moon would be only 200 ky old"
Is this enough time for tidal action to
bring the moon's rotation to a standstill"
Just thinking......"

No.

The trouble is, as other people have pointed out, your
question points out just one of innumerable easily
documentable flaws in the ideas presented in the press
release reveal the utter lack of knowledge of geology,
astronomy, physics, and so forth of whoever wrote it.
This article disguised as a press release reminds me
of the worst of the class papers that I had to read and
grade as a teaching assistant in undergraduate physical
geology laboratory.

Notice that Coleman's article about the "Big Bang
Origin of the Moon" is not even an official article.
Instead this article is just posted as a "press release"
to Scoop.co.nz as a press release at
http://www.scoop.co.nz/about/contact.html as:

Peter Coleman: Big Bang Origin Of The Moon
Wednesday, 28 October 2009, 4:39 pm
Press Release: Peter Coleman
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0910/S00066.htm

As far as I have found googling, no newspaper has yet
been crazy enough to print this press release as real
news.

My favorite line of evidence completely overlooked by
whoever wrote this paper and various other catastrophists,
who argue that the Moon is relatively young are ancient
tidalites that demonstrate the presence of tides and,
thus the Moon, as far back as 3.2 million years ago in
the Precambrian.

Some web pages are:

Where the Moon was at, 3.2 billion years ago
http://scienceblogs.com/highlyallochthonous/2007/07/where_the_moon_was_at_32_billi.php

Ancient Tides Recorded in Indiana Rocks by Erik P. Kvale
http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/ancient/tidaltime/index.cfm
ftp://igs.indiana.edu/pub/pdfdocuments/tideslesson.pdf

Tidal rhythmites and their implications by Rajat Mazumder
and Makoto Arima
http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/MazumderESR2004.pdf

An Analysis of Cyclic Tidal Deposits: Statistical Time Series
Properties, Extraction of Earth-Moon Parameters, and Observed
Intertidal Sedimentation by Christopher Lynn Coughenour
http://idea.library.drexel.edu/bitstream/1860/3135/1/Coughenour_Christopher.pdf

Implications of lunar orbital periodicity from the Chaibasa
tidal rhythmite (India) of late Paleoproterozoic age by Rajat
Mazumder
http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/GEOY-32-10-841.pdf

1997, Tidalites in Big Cottonwood Canyon, with Al Archer and
Steve Greb, during Geological Society of America Salt Lake
City Meeting
http://donchesnut.com/travels/geologyfield/geologyfield.html#cottonwood

Some random references:

Adkins, R. M. and K. A. Eriksson, 1999, Rhythmic sedimentation
in a mid-Pennsylvanian delta front succession, Four Corners
Formation (Breathitt Group), eastern Kentucky: a near complete
record of daily, semi-monthly and monthly tidal periodicities.
in Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61.
SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Alexander, C. R., R. A. Davis and V. J. Henry, eds., 1998,
Tidalites: processes & products. Special publication no. 61.
SEPM (Society for Sedimentary Geology). Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Archer, A. W., 1996. Reliability of lunar orbital periods
extracted from ancient cyclic tidal rhythmites. Earth and
Planetary Science Letters. vol. 141, pp. 1-10.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0012-821X(96)00063-5

Archer, A. W., G. Kuecher, and E. P. Kvale, 1995. The role
of tidal-velocity asymmetries in the deposition of silty
tidal rhythmites (Carboniferous, Eastern Interior Coal Basin).
Journal of Sedimentary Research. vol. A65, pp. 408-416.
http://jsedres.sepmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/2a/408

Chan, M. A., E. P. Kvale, A. W. Archer, and C. P. Sonett,
1994. Oldest direct evidence of lunar-solar tidal forcing
encoded in sedimentary rhythmites, Proterozoic Big Cottonwood
Formation, central Utah. Geology. vol. 22, pp. 791-794.
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/22/9/791

Coughenour, C. L., A. W. Archer, and K. J. Lacovara, 2009,
Tides, tidalites, and secular changes in the Earth-Moon
system. Earth-Science Reviews, In Press, Corrected Proof,
Available online 3 October 2009
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.earscirev.2009.09.002

Davis, R. A., 2006, Precambrian tidalites from the Baraboo
Quartzite Wisconsin, U.S.A. Marine Geology. vol.?235,?no. 1-4,
pp.?247-253. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.margeo.2006.10.018

Eriksson, K. A., 1977, Tidal deposits from the Archaean
Moodies Group, Barberton Mountain Land, South Africa.?
Sedimentary Geology. vol. 18, pp. 257-281.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0037-0738(77)90015-X

Eriksson, K. A., 1982, Tidalites. in Encyclopaedia of
Science & Technology. McGraw-Hill, New york.

Eriksson, K. A., and E. L. Simpson, 2000, Quantifying the
oldest tidal record: The 3.2 Ga Moodies Group, Barberton
Greenstone belt, South Africa. Geology. vol. 28, pp. 831-834
http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/28/9/831

Eriksson, K. A. and E. L. Simpson, 2004. Precambrian
tidalites: recognition and significance. in The
Precambrian Earth: Tempos and Events. Elsevier, New
York.

By the way:

This is a test of my email posting from a non-Yahoo ISP. Somehow,
the settings of the Yahoo email accounts changed in a way that
introduced HTML into an email even when it is set to "plain text."
Since I have not yet determined how to get rid of the HTML, I have
moved to an email account on a non-Yahoo ISP. If anyone knows
how to get rid of the HTML even in teh plain text setting, I would
love to hear from you.

Yours,

Paul H.
Received on Mon 02 Nov 2009 04:27:57 PM PST