[meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 01:02:58 +0200
Message-ID: <014b01c9d80c$c99a4e70$177f2a59_at_name86d88d87e2>

Everyone has his opinion,
be sure that IMCA isn't obsessed to proselytize all unbelievers,
as it isn't the holy or unholy inquisition.

As explained it isn't neither a secret guild or sect,
which controls the said and unsaid thoughts of their members.

I'm only somewhat discontent, that IMCA is often faced with recriminations,
but where no bare facts are offered by those, who shoot their mouths (says
the dictionary) and these so far unfunded slanderous remarks immediately go
on tour as proved facts.

" Only once did
someone attempt to scam me, and it was an IMCA member."

Not such a bad score, if you had thousands of transactions...

And did you report that sam attempt to IMCA?

Well, the complaint section you'll find here, open for everyone:

http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7&Itemid=70


If you feel, that this thread from a IMCA-member your talking about, was
exceeding any acceptable way of usual conversation (no idea, how someone use
to communicate) - just report it.

Best!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic
Stone & Ironworks
Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 23:43
An: Martin Altmann
Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans

Martin and List,

Well, I just received a veiled death threat from an IMCA member for my
last post.

I can say in all honesty, that I have done hundreds (if not over a
thousand) deals since joining the world of meteorites. Only once did
someone attempt to scam me, and it was an IMCA member.

IMCA credentials mean zero to me.

Martin, you are one of the good guys and you know I respect you. But
there are bad apples in the IMCA just like any other large group.

Now I am debating whether I am going to contact the authorities over
this death threat I just received.

I guess I better shut my mouth before the IMCA sends a thug to my house.

Best regards,

MikeG




On 5/18/09, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> Mike, please...
>
> I just opened the ebay-site, searched for "meteori*",
> got 1681 results.
>
> Please show me those auctions from IMCA-members, where fakes, not
authentic
> or at least doubtful material (regarding the authenticity) are offered.
>
> And then list me those auctions from non-IMCA-members, where fakes, non
> authentic and doubtful material is offered.
>
> IMCA was founded to make meteorite trades safer for all.
> The result of your comparision will be, I dare to foresee, quite
convincing,
> that that IMCA-thing already could be called quite a success.
>
> I guess, if you'll search for "Sideroli" and "nandan", "meteori* +sphere"
> and "tibet +meteori*" ect. you will directly obtain your first 20-50
fakes,
> ..to make it a little bit easier.
>
> Hmm those meteoritic "carbonados" currently en vogue, I just can found
only
> 2 offered. Together 50 k$..... a nice sum to go shopping for real
> meteorites.
>
> To lazy (US-ebay is working so slowly on my computer since weeks?) to
check
> how many tektites currently are offered there to the layman to have
> originated from the Moon...
>
> That's what IMCA mainly is about.
>
> And I'm so ooooold, that I know the times before IMCA and how the
situation
> was there, where everyone could sell any stone from his garden as
meteorite,
> with the rookie, the laypeople, the unexperienced having zero possibility
to
> know something about authenticity and having zero guidelines.
> Now his chances to be ripped off are definitely lower, when he looks for
the
> IMCA-labels.
>
> (And I have by far less people to console in my practise, who bought crap
as
> meteorites, than the years before).
>
> I for myself am astonished, how few complaints about alleged misdemeanour
or
> fraud of IMCA-members reach IMCA.
> Remember IMCA is statuably obligated to proof each and every case
reported.
> And in turn, if nobody complains, IMCA can't know the case.
> Remember that instrument is available for ALL, for non-members too, as
long
> as the wrongdoing party is a member.
> Do you know any similar service in the meteoritic field?
>
> Hmm perhaps another, more empiric thought:
> Why do so many dealers, collector-dealers, collectors and those, who
> frequently or sporadically trade, sell, swap meteorites join IMCA,
> if that club is only a joke?
> Nobody urges them to do that, it's there free will and it even costs them
20
> bucks and makes their transactions more difficult, if they obey the code
of
> ethics.
>
> So why?
> If we let aside all that pathetic stuff about enthusiasm, education,
safety
> for the consumer (shhht no outcry now please, I know that many of you
joined
> also because of these intentions, but I try to explain something)
> and reduce that affair to the most disdainful or trivial reason: the
> commercial thing, the money, which I almost fear, at least if I read the
> recent postings of some of the list, seems to be the most understandable
and
> maybe important factor in their collectors life.....
>
> Why the heck then most are eager to join IMCA, if they don't see any
> advantage for them in it?
>
> Obviously something with that IMCA and the labels seems to work.
> And that can't be directly influenced by the IMCA-members and directors
> (else than their sedulous conduct and work)
> cause their must have happened something with the ominous "consumer" -
ugly
> word,
> that it turned out to be an advantage for most offerers (or at least in
> their opininion) to use the IMCA-label.
>
> If it would be meaningless, why would the offerers use it then?
>
> Of course there are very honourable offerers and dealers too,
> who do without - not so seldom their reputation and integrity seems to be
> work alone as well.
> (Have to say that, only to avoid the always identic discussions).
> But if one counts, I guess, meanwhile the majority of meteorite offerers
ate
> members of IMCA.
>
> It is easy to scoff about something, harder it is to improve a grievance.
> IMCA was born by the idea of few, who were very discontented about the
> situation regarding the safety on the meteorite market (especially with
the
> still quite new ebay then) - maybe so discontent like you and others are
> about IMCA - and felt, that something had to be done.
> They had the ideas and realized them with their own efforts and if I see
the
> results after those few years only - and I wasn't a member from beginning
on
> - then I have to pay my highest deference to the founders.
>
> An opinion only, my opinion
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
Galactic
> Stone & Ironworks
> Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 20:58
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans
>
> "hi all
> this what the IMCA is for , the imca members protect themselves by
> being members,
>
> if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a. and he put a
> reclamation, than the imca make a black list of the no honnest
> dealers,
>
> so i encourage everybody to be member of IMCA..."
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
> That's rich. Thanks for the smile today. ;)
>
>
>
> On 5/18/09, habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> hi all
>> this what the IMCA is for , the imca members protect themselves by
being
>> members,
>>
>> if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a. and he put a
>> reclamation, than the imca make a black list of the no honnest dealers,
>>
>> so i encourage everybody to be member of IMCA...
>>
>> i also ask morrocan dealer to be members from the imca and to fallow the
>> rules , this will give good notorite to morrocans delears and also will
>> protect them to be ripped off by anyone else, and give agood image of the
>> morrocans delears.
>> meantime i ask the imca to make it easy for the morrocans to be members,
> and
>> later ask them to fallow the rules,
>>
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> habibi aziz
>> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
>> phone. 21235576145
>> fax.21235576170</font>
>>
>>
>>
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