[meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans

From: star_wars_collector at yahoo.com <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <398281.81292.qm_at_web46405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I would really like for this issue to stop. I had no idea that so much drama would come from me offering samples of this Lunar.
All my intentions were was to offer some of this really nice Lunar for a more reasonable price then I have seen it going for.

What I have has been confirmed to be NWA 4734, provenance supplied and no testing is needed at this point as it would be redundant and only cost me material and money out of my pocket for nothing more then to back up my statements that have already been confirmed.

I think we can consider this issue done.

That said, for today only, I will offer this for $900 per gram for anything over 1 gram. Under 1 gram my regular price of $1,000/g still applies.
If this is for educational.research use, let me know and we might be able to work something better out.
Cant beat an awesome Lunar such as this for that price...
If interested, email me for pictures of available material.

Hope everyone is having a good day!

Greg C.






--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans
> To: "Adam" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:23 PM
>
> Carl,
>
> This has nothing to do with pricing. Carl, where do you
> come up with this crap? You do not know me at all otherwise
> you would not make such stupid comments. I did not complain
> once about price.? I think $1,000.00/gram for a Mare is
> reasonable if the burden of proof has been satisfied that it
> is indeed a lunar.? I do not own any of this material
> so I have no personal interest other than having the owner
> report weights in order to keep the lunar tally as accurate
> as possible.? Greg is reporting the weight and
> submitting a sample for study so I have no complaint at
> all.? I am pleased that these 11 grams will be
> incorporated into the tally.? He can easily beat my
> price because I have none to offer.
>
> Enough from me on this conversation.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>?
>
> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, cdtucson at cox.net
> <cdtucson at cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net
> <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and
> Moroccans
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 2:22 PM
> > Martin
> > As usual, I agree with everything you said. What I?
> > saw here in this thread if you read between the lines
> are
> > pricing issues and for that IMCA has no control. Adam
> is
> > complaining once again about somebody else selling
> paired
> > material and somehow price became an issue. That's all
> I was
> > referring to. If Greg wants to sell Lunar for less
> than
> > Adam,? what has IMCA to do with this??
> > Carl
> > IMCA 5829
> >
> > ---- Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> > wrote:
> > > Mike, please...
> > >
> > > I just opened the ebay-site, searched for
> "meteori*",
> > > got 1681 results.
> > >
> > > Please show me those auctions from IMCA-members,
> where
> > fakes, not authentic
> > > or at least doubtful material (regarding the
> > authenticity) are offered.
> > >
> > > And then list me those auctions from
> non-IMCA-members,
> > where fakes, non
> > > authentic and doubtful material is offered.
> > >
> > > IMCA was founded to make meteorite trades safer
> for
> > all.
> > > The result of your comparision will be, I dare
> to
> > foresee, quite convincing,
> > > that that IMCA-thing already could be called
> quite a
> > success.
> > >
> > > I guess, if you'll search for "Sideroli" and
> "nandan",
> > "meteori* +sphere"
> > > and "tibet +meteori*" ect. you will directly
> obtain
> > your first 20-50 fakes,
> > > ..to make it a little bit easier.
> > >
> > > Hmm those meteoritic "carbonados" currently en
> vogue,
> > I just can found only
> > > 2 offered. Together 50 k$..... a nice sum to go
> > shopping for real
> > > meteorites.
> > >
> > > To lazy (US-ebay is working so slowly on my
> computer
> > since weeks?) to check
> > > how many tektites currently are offered there to
> the
> > layman to have
> > > originated from the Moon...
> > >
> > > That's what IMCA mainly is about.
> > >
> > > And I'm so ooooold, that I know the times before
> IMCA
> > and how the situation
> > > was there, where everyone could sell any stone
> from
> > his garden as meteorite,
> > > with the rookie, the laypeople, the
> unexperienced
> > having zero possibility to
> > > know something about authenticity and having
> zero
> > guidelines.
> > > Now his chances to be ripped off are definitely
> lower,
> > when he looks for the
> > > IMCA-labels.
> > >
> > > (And I have by far less people to console in my
> > practise, who bought crap as
> > > meteorites, than the years before).
> > >
> > > I for myself am astonished, how few complaints
> about
> > alleged misdemeanour or
> > > fraud of IMCA-members reach IMCA.
> > > Remember IMCA is statuably obligated to proof
> each and
> > every case reported.
> > > And in turn, if nobody complains, IMCA can't know
> the
> > case.
> > > Remember that instrument is available for ALL,
> for
> > non-members too, as long
> > > as the wrongdoing party is a member.
> > > Do you know any similar service in the
> meteoritic
> > field?
> > >
> > > Hmm perhaps another, more empiric thought:
> > > Why do so many dealers, collector-dealers,
> collectors
> > and those, who
> > > frequently or sporadically trade, sell, swap
> > meteorites join IMCA,
> > > if that club is only a joke?
> > > Nobody urges them to do that, it's there free
> will and
> > it even costs them 20
> > > bucks and makes their transactions more
> difficult, if
> > they obey the code of
> > > ethics.
> > >
> > > So why?
> > > If we let aside all that pathetic stuff about
> > enthusiasm, education, safety
> > > for the consumer (shhht no outcry now please, I
> know
> > that many of you joined
> > > also because of these intentions, but I try to
> explain
> > something)
> > > and reduce that affair to the most disdainful or
> > trivial reason: the
> > > commercial thing, the money, which I almost fear,
> at
> > least if I read the
> > > recent postings of some of the list, seems to be
> the
> > most understandable and
> > > maybe important factor in their collectors
> life.....
> > >
> > > Why the heck then most are eager to join IMCA, if
> they
> > don't see any
> > > advantage for them in it?
> > >
> > > Obviously something with that IMCA and the
> labels
> > seems to work.
> > > And that can't be directly influenced by the
> > IMCA-members and directors
> > > (else than their sedulous conduct and work)
> > > cause their must have happened something with
> the
> > ominous "consumer" - ugly
> > > word,
> > > that it turned out to be an advantage for most
> > offerers (or at least in
> > > their opininion) to use the IMCA-label.
> > >
> > > If it would be meaningless, why would the
> offerers use
> > it then?
> > >
> > > Of course there are very honourable offerers and
> > dealers too,
> > > who do without - not so seldom their reputation
> and
> > integrity seems to be
> > > work alone as well.
> > > (Have to say that, only to avoid the always
> identic
> > discussions).
> > > But if one counts, I guess, meanwhile the
> majority of
> > meteorite offerers ate
> > > members of IMCA.
> > >
> > > It is easy to scoff about something, harder it is
> to
> > improve a grievance.
> > > IMCA was born by the idea of few, who were very
> > discontented about the
> > > situation regarding the safety on the meteorite
> market
> > (especially with the
> > > still quite new ebay then) - maybe so discontent
> like
> > you and others are
> > > about IMCA - and felt, that something had to be
> done.
> > > They had the ideas and realized them with their
> own
> > efforts and if I see the
> > > results after those few years only - and I wasn't
> a
> > member from beginning on
> > > - then I have to pay my highest deference to the
> > founders.
> > >
> > > An opinion only, my opinion
> > > Martin
> > >?
> > >
> > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> > Im Auftrag von Galactic
> > > Stone & Ironworks
> > > Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 20:58
> > > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries
> and
> > Moroccans
> > >
> > > "hi all
> > > this what? the IMCA? is for , the imca
> > members protect themselves by
> > > being members,
> > >
> > > if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to
> i.m.c.a.
> > and he put a
> > > reclamation,? than the imca make a black list
> of
> > the no honnest
> > > dealers,
> > >
> > > so i encourage everybody to be member of?
> > IMCA..."
> > >
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > >
> > > That's rich.? Thanks for the smile today. ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/18/09, habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi all
> > > > this what? the IMCA? is for , the imca
> > members protect themselves by being
> > > > members,
> > > >
> > > > if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes
> to
> > i.m.c.a. and he put a
> > > > reclamation,? than the imca make a black
> > list of the no honnest dealers,
> > > >
> > > > so i encourage everybody to be member of?
> > IMCA...
> > > >
> > > > i also ask morrocan dealer to be members
> from the
> > imca and to fallow the
> > > > rules , this will give good notorite to
> morrocans
> > delears and also will
> > > > protect them to be ripped off by anyone
> else, and
> > give agood image of the
> > > > morrocans delears.
> > > > meantime i ask the imca to make it easy for
> the
> > morrocans to be members,
> > > and
> > > > later ask them to fallow the rules,
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >? habibi aziz
> > > > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> > > > phone. 21235576145
> > > > fax.21235576170</font>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> .........................................................
> > > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
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