[meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <175585.45735.qm_at_web30708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Carl,

This has nothing to do with pricing. Carl, where do you come up with this crap? You do not know me at all otherwise you would not make such stupid comments. I did not complain once about price. I think $1,000.00/gram for a Mare is reasonable if the burden of proof has been satisfied that it is indeed a lunar. I do not own any of this material so I have no personal interest other than having the owner report weights in order to keep the lunar tally as accurate as possible. Greg is reporting the weight and submitting a sample for study so I have no complaint at all. I am pleased that these 11 grams will be incorporated into the tally. He can easily beat my price because I have none to offer.

Enough from me on this conversation.

Best Regards,

Adam

 

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 2:22 PM
> Martin
> As usual, I agree with everything you said. What I?
> saw here in this thread if you read between the lines are
> pricing issues and for that IMCA has no control. Adam is
> complaining once again about somebody else selling paired
> material and somehow price became an issue. That's all I was
> referring to. If Greg wants to sell Lunar for less than
> Adam,? what has IMCA to do with this??
> Carl
> IMCA 5829
>
> ---- Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> wrote:
> > Mike, please...
> >
> > I just opened the ebay-site, searched for "meteori*",
> > got 1681 results.
> >
> > Please show me those auctions from IMCA-members, where
> fakes, not authentic
> > or at least doubtful material (regarding the
> authenticity) are offered.
> >
> > And then list me those auctions from non-IMCA-members,
> where fakes, non
> > authentic and doubtful material is offered.
> >
> > IMCA was founded to make meteorite trades safer for
> all.
> > The result of your comparision will be, I dare to
> foresee, quite convincing,
> > that that IMCA-thing already could be called quite a
> success.
> >
> > I guess, if you'll search for "Sideroli" and "nandan",
> "meteori* +sphere"
> > and "tibet +meteori*" ect. you will directly obtain
> your first 20-50 fakes,
> > ..to make it a little bit easier.
> >
> > Hmm those meteoritic "carbonados" currently en vogue,
> I just can found only
> > 2 offered. Together 50 k$..... a nice sum to go
> shopping for real
> > meteorites.
> >
> > To lazy (US-ebay is working so slowly on my computer
> since weeks?) to check
> > how many tektites currently are offered there to the
> layman to have
> > originated from the Moon...
> >
> > That's what IMCA mainly is about.
> >
> > And I'm so ooooold, that I know the times before IMCA
> and how the situation
> > was there, where everyone could sell any stone from
> his garden as meteorite,
> > with the rookie, the laypeople, the unexperienced
> having zero possibility to
> > know something about authenticity and having zero
> guidelines.
> > Now his chances to be ripped off are definitely lower,
> when he looks for the
> > IMCA-labels.
> >
> > (And I have by far less people to console in my
> practise, who bought crap as
> > meteorites, than the years before).
> >
> > I for myself am astonished, how few complaints about
> alleged misdemeanour or
> > fraud of IMCA-members reach IMCA.
> > Remember IMCA is statuably obligated to proof each and
> every case reported.
> > And in turn, if nobody complains, IMCA can't know the
> case.
> > Remember that instrument is available for ALL, for
> non-members too, as long
> > as the wrongdoing party is a member.
> > Do you know any similar service in the meteoritic
> field?
> >
> > Hmm perhaps another, more empiric thought:
> > Why do so many dealers, collector-dealers, collectors
> and those, who
> > frequently or sporadically trade, sell, swap
> meteorites join IMCA,
> > if that club is only a joke?
> > Nobody urges them to do that, it's there free will and
> it even costs them 20
> > bucks and makes their transactions more difficult, if
> they obey the code of
> > ethics.
> >
> > So why?
> > If we let aside all that pathetic stuff about
> enthusiasm, education, safety
> > for the consumer (shhht no outcry now please, I know
> that many of you joined
> > also because of these intentions, but I try to explain
> something)
> > and reduce that affair to the most disdainful or
> trivial reason: the
> > commercial thing, the money, which I almost fear, at
> least if I read the
> > recent postings of some of the list, seems to be the
> most understandable and
> > maybe important factor in their collectors life.....
> >
> > Why the heck then most are eager to join IMCA, if they
> don't see any
> > advantage for them in it?
> >
> > Obviously something with that IMCA and the labels
> seems to work.
> > And that can't be directly influenced by the
> IMCA-members and directors
> > (else than their sedulous conduct and work)
> > cause their must have happened something with the
> ominous "consumer" - ugly
> > word,
> > that it turned out to be an advantage for most
> offerers (or at least in
> > their opininion) to use the IMCA-label.
> >
> > If it would be meaningless, why would the offerers use
> it then?
> >
> > Of course there are very honourable offerers and
> dealers too,
> > who do without - not so seldom their reputation and
> integrity seems to be
> > work alone as well.
> > (Have to say that, only to avoid the always identic
> discussions).
> > But if one counts, I guess, meanwhile the majority of
> meteorite offerers ate
> > members of IMCA.
> >
> > It is easy to scoff about something, harder it is to
> improve a grievance.
> > IMCA was born by the idea of few, who were very
> discontented about the
> > situation regarding the safety on the meteorite market
> (especially with the
> > still quite new ebay then) - maybe so discontent like
> you and others are
> > about IMCA - and felt, that something had to be done.
> > They had the ideas and realized them with their own
> efforts and if I see the
> > results after those few years only - and I wasn't a
> member from beginning on
> > - then I have to pay my highest deference to the
> founders.
> >
> > An opinion only, my opinion
> > Martin
> >?
> >
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> Im Auftrag von Galactic
> > Stone & Ironworks
> > Gesendet: Montag, 18. Mai 2009 20:58
> > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and
> Moroccans
> >
> > "hi all
> > this what? the IMCA? is for , the imca
> members protect themselves by
> > being members,
> >
> > if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to i.m.c.a.
> and he put a
> > reclamation,? than the imca make a black list of
> the no honnest
> > dealers,
> >
> > so i encourage everybody to be member of?
> IMCA..."
> >
> > ROTFLMAO!
> >
> > That's rich.? Thanks for the smile today. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/18/09, habibi abdelaziz <azizhabibi at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > hi all
> > > this what? the IMCA? is for , the imca
> members protect themselves by being
> > > members,
> > >
> > > if somone is stolen or ripped off he goes to
> i.m.c.a. and he put a
> > > reclamation,? than the imca make a black
> list of the no honnest dealers,
> > >
> > > so i encourage everybody to be member of?
> IMCA...
> > >
> > > i also ask morrocan dealer to be members from the
> imca and to fallow the
> > > rules , this will give good notorite to morrocans
> delears and also will
> > > protect them to be ripped off by anyone else, and
> give agood image of the
> > > morrocans delears.
> > > meantime i ask the imca to make it easy for the
> morrocans to be members,
> > and
> > > later ask them to fallow the rules,
> > >
> > > thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >? habibi aziz
> > > box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> > > phone. 21235576145
> > > fax.21235576170</font>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> >
> .........................................................
> > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> > Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
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> >
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