[meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !

From: Göran Axelsson <axelsson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:49:33 +0200
Message-ID: <49D0B1CD.5020509_at_acc.umu.se>

The difference between proud Tom and the Three Stooges is that the
latter jokes with fictional characters. I'm not that amused by either of
them and I understand Anne if she doesn't want to be associated with
proud Tom.

G?ran Axelsson

Mark Grossman wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Read my email carefully.
>
> "I don't know who Proud Tom is - he is before my time, but these, as well as
> other often personal attacks and offensive remarks do not serve the image of
> the list, the collectors, the dealers or members at large very well at all."
>
>
> The personal attacks and offensive remarks I am referring to are the many,
> many remarks I have observed on this list for over a year or so. So the
> debate about someone named Proud Tom emerging as one of the most important
> topics on the meteorite discussion list today comes as no surprise to me.
>
> Why do you think this list is called the "Big Scary List" in other parts of
> the meteoritic world?
>
> So you are right Michael. I suggest that the list members follow your lead
> and take the next few days to really, really discuss if the Three Stooges
> are Cheech and Chong are offensive. Sounds like something that's very
> important to you.
>
> Discussion of the Three Stooges/Cheech and Chong and their relation to Proud
> Tom - sounds like another great topic for the world's largest meteorite
> list.
>
> Mark Grossman
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> To: "Ed Deckert" <edeckert at triad.rr.com>; "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>;
> "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !
>
>
>
>> Dear Dean & Ed,
>> Proud Tom is NOT on the meteorite list. He did
>> Not post to the meteorite list (at least not in a very
>> Long time).
>> I offered to send anyone who WANTED a PDF
>> Of his humor to contact me OFF LIST. Indeed, I stated
>> That it may not be everyone's cup of tea - and if it isn't,
>> Then don't get the PDF.
>> It is great that 3 or 4 of you have had the time and energy
>> To post your opinion (which has now given Proud Tom
>> FAR more list time than my little post) but that in no way
>> Validates your position that implies somehow the rest of
>> Us should not enjoy a good laugh at ourselves. (In fact,
>> A good deal of the roasting is of the Hupes (Adam asked
>> For a copy) and me (I laughed out loud in several places).
>> This is like stating I shouldn't laugh at Cheech & Chong
>> Because they trivialize and even promote the evils of marijuana!
>> Somehow several dozens of people have written me OFF
>> LIST (which Is fine) touting "long live Proud Tom" or the like
>> and stating that if people can't laugh at themselves, something
>> is out of line.
>> In any event, I fully support all 4 of you NOT to get
>> The PDF and NOT to read the PDF. However, if I and
>> Many dozens of others do choose to do so, frankly,
>> I don't see how it is any of your business at all.
>> Y'all can watch the 3 stooges all you want and
>> I promise not to say a thing about it - I just won't watch
>> Them myself.
>> Best wishes, Michael
>> PS: Mark Grossman, Tom's remarks WERE circulated "off list" -
>> in addition if you haven't read Proud Tom, how could you
>> Possibly form an opinion as to whether or not he engages
>> in personal "attacks" and "offensive remarks?" While I am
>> Personally offended by the Three Stooges, does that make
>> Them "offensive?"
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Ed Deckert <edeckert at triad.rr.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:37:10 -0400
>>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>,
>>>
> Meteorite
>
>>> List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !
>>>
>>> I think that Anne has a perfectly valid point. "Proud Tom" really does
>>>
> not
>
>>> have a place on the met list. At the very least, it violates one of the
>>> list rules - "Be courteous and professional at all times." The Proud
>>>
> Tom
>
>>> "Roasting Humor" crosses that line.
>>>
>>> At the same time, it does not make us look good. Here we are worrying
>>>
> about
>
>>> the image of meteorite dealers because of fraudulent auctions of
>>> meteorwrongs on ebay - but not worrying about the image we may project
>>>
> here
>
>>> on this list.
>>>
>>> So, the Roasting Humor of Proud Tom can certainly have its place, but in
>>>
> a
>
>>> better place, off-list.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> PS - I am a Three Stooges Fan, but I respect your opinon of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
>>> To: "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>; "Meteorite List"
>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Anne,
>>>> Of course I will remove you from my friends page if
>>>> That is what you truly wish.
>>>> You say there is nothing wrong with your sense of humor,
>>>> Yet you do not hesitate to severely criticize the humor of
>>>> Others.
>>>> I do not care one iota for the Three Stooges. However, I
>>>> Accept that I am in the great minority and do not judge those
>>>> Who enjoy such shenanigans, though it is completely beyond
>>>> My comprehension. They poke one another in the eyes, hit one
>>>> Another with hammers - they are a veritable concoction of hostility,
>>>> Aggression and violence (though I have never said that before, but
>>>> Just to give voice in the same way you do in your reaction to
>>>> the roasting humor of Proud Tom)
>>>> Do be aware that Proud Tom is also a part
>>>> Of The List and even the IMCA. Will you withdraw from
>>>> Them as well? Many of your friends enjoy Proud Tom. Will
>>>> You "disown" them, as well? Do you want to be off their
>>>> List of friends?
>>>> Throughout my life, whenever someone demanded that
>>>> I choose between them and another friend, there is never a
>>>> Question in my mind - they, themselves are choosing not to
>>>> Be my friend. I always feel an attempt at blackmail is being
>>>> Foisted upon me. So, tell me Anne, since the list consensus runs
>>>> AT LEAST 10 to one in terms of enjoying Proud Tom, are you
>>>> Going to disown all those friends? Or, are you saving that just
>>>> For me? If so, why?
>>>> Does your lack of appreciation dictate no one else can
>>>> Enjoy the humor that does not strike your funny bone?
>>>> Best wishes, Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:19:40 EDT
>>>>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Meteorite List
>>>>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Call !
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, believe me, or ask my
>>>>> friends.
>>>>> But this is not humor, this is a thinly veiled excuse to insult people
>>>>> behind
>>>>> their backs, and it reflects poorly on the whole Meteorite Community.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take it off-List.
>>>>> And please remove my picture from your Friends page. I will not be
>>>>> associated
>>>>> with this kind of buffoonery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anne M. Black
>>>>> http://www.impactika.com/
>>>>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
>>>>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>>>>> http://www.imca.cc/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:30:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>>>>> mlblood at cox.net writes:
>>>>> The Proud Tom PDFs I sent around have
>>>>> Garnished a gaggle of fans laughing their
>>>>> A** off. There is a plea for Proud Tom to
>>>>> Make yet another post - it seems his web
>>>>> Site was the most popular and keeps him
>>>>> Out of the sites of those who have a problem
>>>>> With every one being roasted!
>>>>> Howsabout it, Big Guy? Won't you
>>>>> PLEASE respond to your countless fans and
>>>>> Give us some more Proud Tom buffoonery!
>>>>> Best wishes, Michael
>>>>> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for
>>>>> $10 or
>>>>> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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