[meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:29:27 -0500
Message-ID: <001401c9b0e7$bb03c450$6501a8c0_at_QED>

Michael,

Read my email carefully.

"I don't know who Proud Tom is - he is before my time, but these, as well as
other often personal attacks and offensive remarks do not serve the image of
the list, the collectors, the dealers or members at large very well at all."


The personal attacks and offensive remarks I am referring to are the many,
many remarks I have observed on this list for over a year or so. So the
debate about someone named Proud Tom emerging as one of the most important
topics on the meteorite discussion list today comes as no surprise to me.

Why do you think this list is called the "Big Scary List" in other parts of
the meteoritic world?

So you are right Michael. I suggest that the list members follow your lead
and take the next few days to really, really discuss if the Three Stooges
are Cheech and Chong are offensive. Sounds like something that's very
important to you.

Discussion of the Three Stooges/Cheech and Chong and their relation to Proud
Tom - sounds like another great topic for the world's largest meteorite
list.

Mark Grossman


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
To: "Ed Deckert" <edeckert at triad.rr.com>; "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>;
"Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ed, Dean, Anne & Proud Tom Call !


> Dear Dean & Ed,
> Proud Tom is NOT on the meteorite list. He did
> Not post to the meteorite list (at least not in a very
> Long time).
> I offered to send anyone who WANTED a PDF
> Of his humor to contact me OFF LIST. Indeed, I stated
> That it may not be everyone's cup of tea - and if it isn't,
> Then don't get the PDF.
> It is great that 3 or 4 of you have had the time and energy
> To post your opinion (which has now given Proud Tom
> FAR more list time than my little post) but that in no way
> Validates your position that implies somehow the rest of
> Us should not enjoy a good laugh at ourselves. (In fact,
> A good deal of the roasting is of the Hupes (Adam asked
> For a copy) and me (I laughed out loud in several places).
> This is like stating I shouldn't laugh at Cheech & Chong
> Because they trivialize and even promote the evils of marijuana!
> Somehow several dozens of people have written me OFF
> LIST (which Is fine) touting "long live Proud Tom" or the like
> and stating that if people can't laugh at themselves, something
> is out of line.
> In any event, I fully support all 4 of you NOT to get
> The PDF and NOT to read the PDF. However, if I and
> Many dozens of others do choose to do so, frankly,
> I don't see how it is any of your business at all.
> Y'all can watch the 3 stooges all you want and
> I promise not to say a thing about it - I just won't watch
> Them myself.
> Best wishes, Michael
> PS: Mark Grossman, Tom's remarks WERE circulated "off list" -
> in addition if you haven't read Proud Tom, how could you
> Possibly form an opinion as to whether or not he engages
> in personal "attacks" and "offensive remarks?" While I am
> Personally offended by the Three Stooges, does that make
> Them "offensive?"
>
>
> > From: Ed Deckert <edeckert at triad.rr.com>
> > Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:37:10 -0400
> > To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>,
Meteorite
> > List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !
> >
> > I think that Anne has a perfectly valid point. "Proud Tom" really does
not
> > have a place on the met list. At the very least, it violates one of the
> > list rules - "Be courteous and professional at all times." The Proud
Tom
> > "Roasting Humor" crosses that line.
> >
> > At the same time, it does not make us look good. Here we are worrying
about
> > the image of meteorite dealers because of fraudulent auctions of
> > meteorwrongs on ebay - but not worrying about the image we may project
here
> > on this list.
> >
> > So, the Roasting Humor of Proud Tom can certainly have its place, but in
a
> > better place, off-list.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > PS - I am a Three Stooges Fan, but I respect your opinon of them.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
> > To: "Anne Black" <Impactika at aol.com>; "Meteorite List"
> > <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 5:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anne Black & Proud Tom Call !
> >
> >
> >> Hi Anne,
> >> Of course I will remove you from my friends page if
> >> That is what you truly wish.
> >> You say there is nothing wrong with your sense of humor,
> >> Yet you do not hesitate to severely criticize the humor of
> >> Others.
> >> I do not care one iota for the Three Stooges. However, I
> >> Accept that I am in the great minority and do not judge those
> >> Who enjoy such shenanigans, though it is completely beyond
> >> My comprehension. They poke one another in the eyes, hit one
> >> Another with hammers - they are a veritable concoction of hostility,
> >> Aggression and violence (though I have never said that before, but
> >> Just to give voice in the same way you do in your reaction to
> >> the roasting humor of Proud Tom)
> >> Do be aware that Proud Tom is also a part
> >> Of The List and even the IMCA. Will you withdraw from
> >> Them as well? Many of your friends enjoy Proud Tom. Will
> >> You "disown" them, as well? Do you want to be off their
> >> List of friends?
> >> Throughout my life, whenever someone demanded that
> >> I choose between them and another friend, there is never a
> >> Question in my mind - they, themselves are choosing not to
> >> Be my friend. I always feel an attempt at blackmail is being
> >> Foisted upon me. So, tell me Anne, since the list consensus runs
> >> AT LEAST 10 to one in terms of enjoying Proud Tom, are you
> >> Going to disown all those friends? Or, are you saving that just
> >> For me? If so, why?
> >> Does your lack of appreciation dictate no one else can
> >> Enjoy the humor that does not strike your funny bone?
> >> Best wishes, Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Anne Black <Impactika at aol.com>
> >>> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:19:40 EDT
> >>> To: Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net>, Meteorite List
> >>> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Proud Tom Call !
> >>>
> >>> Michael,
> >>>
> >>> There is nothing wrong with my sense of humor, believe me, or ask my
> >>> friends.
> >>> But this is not humor, this is a thinly veiled excuse to insult people
> >>> behind
> >>> their backs, and it reflects poorly on the whole Meteorite Community.
> >>>
> >>> Please take it off-List.
> >>> And please remove my picture from your Friends page. I will not be
> >>> associated
> >>> with this kind of buffoonery.
> >>>
> >>> Anne M. Black
> >>> http://www.impactika.com/
> >>> IMPACTIKA at aol.com
> >>> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> >>> http://www.imca.cc/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 3/29/2009 2:30:32 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
> >>> mlblood at cox.net writes:
> >>> The Proud Tom PDFs I sent around have
> >>> Garnished a gaggle of fans laughing their
> >>> A** off. There is a plea for Proud Tom to
> >>> Make yet another post - it seems his web
> >>> Site was the most popular and keeps him
> >>> Out of the sites of those who have a problem
> >>> With every one being roasted!
> >>> Howsabout it, Big Guy? Won't you
> >>> PLEASE respond to your countless fans and
> >>> Give us some more Proud Tom buffoonery!
> >>> Best wishes, Michael
> >>> **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for
> >>> $10 or
> >>> less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
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