[meteorite-list] Dam Hammer

From: Meteorites USA <eric_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:32:14 -0700
Message-ID: <49C1A09E.4000405_at_meteoritesusa.com>

Hmmm... You make your own case, and change directions on a whim.

"...Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not going to buy into this Hammer crap. Good for you. I don't either..."

Don't put words in my mouth Carl... Don't pretend to know me or explain
what I meant. And certainly don't try to change your story. Either
that's what you were doing or you were being sarcastic, in which case
the following statement still applies.

Car salesman are car salesman and people don't particularly like car
salesman.

Regards,
Eric



cdtucson at cox.net wrote:
> Eric, I don't know what you agree with but I sell with 100% honesty. I have no west to sell. I do not see how it serves Mike Farmer to rant like this. I am (was) a good customer of his. I have many meteorites from him. I think he must be crazy. Like you said . you are not stupid. You are not going to buy into this Hammer crap. Good for you. I don't either. I collect based on material. I don't even need another ordinary chondrite. from West or East or places between.
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA 5829
>
> ---- Meteorites USA <eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Mike. Use common sense, cut the crap definitions
>> and stop trying to up-sell the public with bogus hammer claims. Leave
>> the defining to the person who first used the term hammer.
>>
>> If I offend anyone with these remarks I invite your wrath with open
>> arms. Most people I'm sure would agree that a hammer is any single
>> meteorite (NOT AN ENTIRE FALL) that hit an inanimate man-made object or
>> structure, or living creature, humans included.
>>
>> If it crashes into or through a roof? HAMMER
>> If it crashes into or through a wall? HAMMER
>> If it crashes into or through a car? HAMMER
>> If it crashes into or through a building? HAMMER
>>
>> If it lands on a golf course? NOT A HAMMER!
>> If it hits a golf cart? HAMMER
>>
>> The point is this could go on forever. Let the buyer decide, and use
>> common sense in your marketing. Don't fabricate or exaggerate. How hard
>> is that to understand?
>>
>> Legal definitions are the freaking problem (not the term) as too often
>> these terms throw common sense to the wind and substitute it with BS!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Farmer wrote:
>>
>>> Carl, you are a major part of this problem.
>>> For example, you still keep selling Carancas on ebay quoting them as "Haag Collection" pieces. This is an outright lie! Bob told me last year that he asked you to stop doing that. Haag went to Carancas as a partner of yours, he brought back all the material and gave you your share, then he sold me the rest of his share. Now, you pretend that all of the pieces are from the Haag collection, simply becuase he had possesion of them for a hew hours. This is a tactic that "used-car" salesmen use and it is not true. You are trying to get more $$$$ by dropping Bob's name.
>>>
>>> Now, this "hammer" issue is one and the same, a total crock of bullshit. Anyone with even the most simple common sense can tell when a meteorite impacts something that makes it stand out, then the "hammer" term makes sense. Hitting a dirt pile at a pond is BORING. Any collector who buys into that shit deserves to lose their money if they pay based on that being a "hammer". As I said before, there is nothing wrong with giving as much data about where each stone was found and it is great that this particular piece was found by Steve's wife on a pond dam. If you try to sell me that piece 5 years from now, and try to get me to pay more for that fact, I will laugh you out of the house.
>>> Now, if you have a housesmasher, I would be much more interested.
>>> By the way, I have great photos of the West househitter and embedded shingle fragments in the stone. I am keeing the location secret, as I want the stone. There are at least 7 people on this list in my group who saw that stone.
>>>
>>> If you have to explain why you consider the stone as a hammer, then it likely is not one. To scrape the bottom of the barrel in pretending every other stone a hammer is killing this business.
>>>
>>> Michael Farmer
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
>>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, MeteorHntr at aol.com, "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:34 PM
>>>> Okay Michael.
>>>> Now you added this to the equation;
>>>> --"An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still just
>>>> dirt. No damage could be
>>>> done to it."
>>>> Now are you saying damage has to be done to it????
>>>> How much damage was done to the guys roof and do you have
>>>> photos to prove it???
>>>> Not that we don't trust you but if you insist damage must
>>>> be done then lets see the damage?
>>>> And by the way if these are hammers or not hammers this is
>>>> not going to send your business down the drain unless you
>>>> let it. Everyone seems to have an opinion here but the use
>>>> of the word stupid by Greg is uncalled for. Michael Blood
>>>> will clear this up without any name calling.
>>>> I hope. Carl
>>>>
>>>> -- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I saw that the email was mostly a joke, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> congrats on the stone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> But we must get this under control. A pile of dirt is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> nothing more than a pile of dirt. Carl seems to think that
>>>> anything touched by man would make a meteorite a "hammer
>>>> stone". This is a crock of crap, and while I ignored this
>>>> discussion a couple of weeks ago, I can not sit back and
>>>> watch my business go down the drain by trying to lump every
>>>> stone as a hammer. I know of one hammer in West, a 124 gram
>>>> stone hit a house, bounced off and landed in the yard. The
>>>> homeowner picked it up and the stone has shingles embedded
>>>> in it. I am still trying to buy the stone, but the owner has
>>>> money and really has no interest in selling it. That is a
>>>> hammer stone. It is the only hammer stone I know of from
>>>> West, that is definitive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We can not allow people to continue to demean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> meteorites by attempting to say that dirt roads and
>>>> driveways make hammer stones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Smash a car, computer printer, rooftop, or cow and you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have a hammer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> just dirt. No damage could be done to it. A stone landing in
>>>> the dirt 20 feet away but not on the dam is no different
>>>> that a stone on the dam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Michael Farmer
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> From: MeteorHntr at aol.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
>>>>>> To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:01 PM
>>>>>> In a message dated 3/18/2009 12:50:33
>>>>>> P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>>> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> hammer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I will leave the interpretation of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> "hammer" up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> to the beholder, the
>>>>>> post was indeed more of a joke, or double
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> entendre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> . But it did hit the dam.
>>>>>> And my "congrats" going out to my wife was not
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> joke, that was sincere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am NOT asking a premium on this rock above
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> any of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> the others I am selling,
>>>>>> just because it hit the dam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although since it was found AFTER the heavy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> rains, I am
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> actually discounting
>>>>>> it below what I would be selling it for if it was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> picked up
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> earlier, as I am
>>>>>> with all the Post-rain recovery specimens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Starting at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> $479
>>>>>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> --
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
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Regards,
Eric Wichman
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