[meteorite-list] Dam Hammer

From: Dave Gheesling <dave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:03:05 -0400
Message-ID: <391B1FC049FB42B48E5D985A4C57DBBC_at_meteorroom>

Mike & All,

Perhaps another simple way to look at this issue is this:
1) just tell the actual story and let it stand on its own merits,
2) call it a "hammer" or whatever else you like, but
3) make it ABSOLUTELY CRYSTAL CLEAR whether the actual specimen for sale did
whatever hitting that was associated with the fall or not.

The value of the story will be like water seeking its own level; it's when
there's a more than reasonable inference (note: I'm not saying implication,
which would suggest intent on the part of the seller) on the part of the
buyer that a stone picked up in the middle of a field is the one that hit,
for example, the house you describe below -- for lack of any attempt to
clarify to the contrary.

Best,

Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:41 PM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com; MeteorHntr at aol.com;
cdtucson at cox.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer


Carl, you are a major part of this problem.
For example, you still keep selling Carancas on ebay quoting them as "Haag
Collection" pieces. This is an outright lie! Bob told me last year that he
asked you to stop doing that. Haag went to Carancas as a partner of yours,
he brought back all the material and gave you your share, then he sold me
the rest of his share. Now, you pretend that all of the pieces are from the
Haag collection, simply becuase he had possesion of them for a hew hours.
This is a tactic that "used-car" salesmen use and it is not true. You are
trying to get more $$$$ by dropping Bob's name.

Now, this "hammer" issue is one and the same, a total crock of bullshit.
Anyone with even the most simple common sense can tell when a meteorite
impacts something that makes it stand out, then the "hammer" term makes
sense. Hitting a dirt pile at a pond is BORING. Any collector who buys into
that shit deserves to lose their money if they pay based on that being a
"hammer". As I said before, there is nothing wrong with giving as much data
about where each stone was found and it is great that this particular piece
was found by Steve's wife on a pond dam. If you try to sell me that piece 5
years from now, and try to get me to pay more for that fact, I will laugh
you out of the house.
Now, if you have a housesmasher, I would be much more interested.
By the way, I have great photos of the West househitter and embedded shingle
fragments in the stone. I am keeing the location secret, as I want the
stone. There are at least 7 people on this list in my group who saw that
stone.

If you have to explain why you consider the stone as a hammer, then it
likely is not one. To scrape the bottom of the barrel in pretending every
other stone a hammer is killing this business.

Michael Farmer

--- On Wed, 3/18/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:

> From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, MeteorHntr at aol.com, "Michael
> Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:34 PM Okay Michael.
> Now you added this to the equation;
> --"An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still just dirt. No
> damage could be done to it."
> Now are you saying damage has to be done to it????
> How much damage was done to the guys roof and do you have photos to
> prove it???
> Not that we don't trust you but if you insist damage must be done then
> lets see the damage?
> And by the way if these are hammers or not hammers this is not going
> to send your business down the drain unless you let it. Everyone seems
> to have an opinion here but the use of the word stupid by Greg is
> uncalled for. Michael Blood will clear this up without any name
> calling.
> I hope. Carl
>
> -- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I saw that the email was mostly a joke, and
> congrats on the stone.
> >
> > But we must get this under control. A pile of dirt is
> nothing more than a pile of dirt. Carl seems to think that anything
> touched by man would make a meteorite a "hammer stone". This is a
> crock of crap, and while I ignored this discussion a couple of weeks
> ago, I can not sit back and watch my business go down the drain by
> trying to lump every stone as a hammer. I know of one hammer in West,
> a 124 gram stone hit a house, bounced off and landed in the yard. The
> homeowner picked it up and the stone has shingles embedded in it. I am
> still trying to buy the stone, but the owner has money and really has
> no interest in selling it. That is a hammer stone. It is the only
> hammer stone I know of from West, that is definitive.
> >
> > We can not allow people to continue to demean
> meteorites by attempting to say that dirt roads and driveways make
> hammer stones.
> > Smash a car, computer printer, rooftop, or cow and you
> have a hammer.
> > An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still
> just dirt. No damage could be done to it. A stone landing in the dirt
> 20 feet away but not on the dam is no different that a stone on the
> dam.
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com
> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com
> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
> > > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:01 PM In a message dated
> > > 3/18/2009 12:50:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> > > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> > > writes:
> > >
> > > Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it
> a
> > > hammer.
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > Mike and all,
> > >
> > > While I will leave the interpretation of
> "hammer" up
> > > to the beholder, the
> > > post was indeed more of a joke, or double
> entendre
> > > .? But it did hit the dam.
> > > And my "congrats" going out to my? wife was not
> a
> > > joke, that was sincere.
> > >
> > > I am NOT asking a premium on this? rock above
> any of
> > > the others I am selling,
> > > just because it hit the dam.
> > >
> > > Although since it was found AFTER the heavy
> rains, I am
> > > actually? discounting
> > > it below what I would be selling it for if it was
> picked up
> > > earlier,? as I am
> > > with all the Post-rain recovery specimens.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >?
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