[meteorite-list] loudmouth Farmer

From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:27:27 -0700
Message-ID: <20090318202727.HBYZT.477066.imail_at_fed1rmwml46>

Michael, list
Sorry List in advance for this .
Have you ever heard the word provenance???
It is used to establish history of a particular object. When used correctly it describes where a thing has been or where it came from. It is not only a tactic used by used car salesmen but it is appreciated by any body who wants to know where his new object came from. I am sorry that people will pay more for things from Bob Haag than they will pay for things from Mike Farmer. Sometimes the truth hurts but The fact of the matter is that Bob Haag and I did have a partnership in all of the Carancas material. Long story short; He broke our agreement and sold what he considered to be his share to you. If you think it can get you more money , you too can claim you got material from Bob. But be careful and keep in mind you have also bought from others. I have not. 100% of the Carancas I sell came from The BOB Haag Collection and You cannot get any better provenance than that. Bob is still THE Meteorite Man. And as he said. We have the freshest material available.
In summary the only way I am a problem to you is because I promote your arch rival Bob Haag. Maybe some day you will grow up to be Bob but until that day you should watch your loose mouth and take your med's. You are obviously a very sick boy. I am told that you are the single biggest problem with meteorites today and I am begging to understand why others feel that way. I have tried to treat you with respect and you never learn how to just keep your big mouth shut and mind your own business. We have all read about your antics in Morocco and all over the world. We are all getting to know just what kind of person you really are. You need to be nice.You only make a fool of yourself when you go off like this. You should treat people with respect . Follow Notkin or Arnold or Garcias lead. Just to name a few.
Sorry for this list but, he asked for it.
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
Meteoritemax

---- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Carl, you are a major part of this problem.
> For example, you still keep selling Carancas on ebay quoting them as "Haag Collection" pieces. This is an outright lie! Bob told me last year that he asked you to stop doing that. Haag went to Carancas as a partner of yours, he brought back all the material and gave you your share, then he sold me the rest of his share. Now, you pretend that all of the pieces are from the Haag collection, simply becuase he had possesion of them for a hew hours. This is a tactic that "used-car" salesmen use and it is not true. You are trying to get more $$$$ by dropping Bob's name.
>
> Now, this "hammer" issue is one and the same, a total crock of bullshit. Anyone with even the most simple common sense can tell when a meteorite impacts something that makes it stand out, then the "hammer" term makes sense. Hitting a dirt pile at a pond is BORING. Any collector who buys into that shit deserves to lose their money if they pay based on that being a "hammer". As I said before, there is nothing wrong with giving as much data about where each stone was found and it is great that this particular piece was found by Steve's wife on a pond dam. If you try to sell me that piece 5 years from now, and try to get me to pay more for that fact, I will laugh you out of the house.
> Now, if you have a housesmasher, I would be much more interested.
> By the way, I have great photos of the West househitter and embedded shingle fragments in the stone. I am keeing the location secret, as I want the stone. There are at least 7 people on this list in my group who saw that stone.
>
> If you have to explain why you consider the stone as a hammer, then it likely is not one. To scrape the bottom of the barrel in pretending every other stone a hammer is killing this business.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> --- On Wed, 3/18/09, cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > From: cdtucson at cox.net <cdtucson at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, MeteorHntr at aol.com, "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:34 PM
> > Okay Michael.
> > Now you added this to the equation;
> > --"An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still just
> > dirt. No damage could be
> > done to it."
> > Now are you saying damage has to be done to it????
> > How much damage was done to the guys roof and do you have
> > photos to prove it???
> > Not that we don't trust you but if you insist damage must
> > be done then lets see the damage?
> > And by the way if these are hammers or not hammers this is
> > not going to send your business down the drain unless you
> > let it. Everyone seems to have an opinion here but the use
> > of the word stupid by Greg is uncalled for. Michael Blood
> > will clear this up without any name calling.
> > I hope. Carl
> >
> > -- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I saw that the email was mostly a joke, and
> > congrats on the stone.
> > >
> > > But we must get this under control. A pile of dirt is
> > nothing more than a pile of dirt. Carl seems to think that
> > anything touched by man would make a meteorite a "hammer
> > stone". This is a crock of crap, and while I ignored this
> > discussion a couple of weeks ago, I can not sit back and
> > watch my business go down the drain by trying to lump every
> > stone as a hammer. I know of one hammer in West, a 124 gram
> > stone hit a house, bounced off and landed in the yard. The
> > homeowner picked it up and the stone has shingles embedded
> > in it. I am still trying to buy the stone, but the owner has
> > money and really has no interest in selling it. That is a
> > hammer stone. It is the only hammer stone I know of from
> > West, that is definitive.
> > >
> > > We can not allow people to continue to demean
> > meteorites by attempting to say that dirt roads and
> > driveways make hammer stones.
> > > Smash a car, computer printer, rooftop, or cow and you
> > have a hammer.
> > > An earthen dam while yes, scraped by man, is still
> > just dirt. No damage could be done to it. A stone landing in
> > the dirt 20 feet away but not on the dam is no different
> > that a stone on the dam.
> > >
> > > Michael Farmer
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com
> > <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com
> > <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
> > > > To: meteoriteguy at yahoo.com,
> > meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 12:01 PM
> > > > In a message dated 3/18/2009 12:50:33
> > > > P.M. Central Daylight Time,?
> > > > meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> > > > writes:
> > > >
> > > > Um, I hope this is a joke, as far as calling it
> > a
> > > > hammer.?
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Mike and all,
> > > >
> > > > While I will leave the interpretation of?
> > "hammer" up
> > > > to the beholder, the
> > > > post was indeed more of a joke, or double?
> > entendre
> > > > .? But it did hit the dam.?
> > > > And my "congrats" going out to my? wife was not
> > a
> > > > joke, that was sincere.
> > > >
> > > > I am NOT asking a premium on this? rock above
> > any of
> > > > the others I am selling,
> > > > just because it hit the dam.???
> > > >
> > > > Although since it was found AFTER the heavy
> > rains, I am
> > > > actually? discounting
> > > > it below what I would be selling it for if it was
> > picked up
> > > > earlier,? as I am
> > > > with all the Post-rain recovery specimens.?
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >?
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