[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
From: Bob Loeffler <bobl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:23:09 -0600 Message-ID: <20090315182307.DDE6010565_at_mailwash5.pair.com> Hi Tim, Did the meteorite actually penetrate that house, or was it a big dirt clod or rock from the blast? One picture on that page says one thing ("house hit by ejecta"); the other picture says "meteorite penetrated the roof of this house". Ejecta is not the actual meteorite. It is dirt/rocks/etc from the blast, which does not count as a "hammer" or "hammer stone" according to Michael Blood's definition. Thanks and regards, Bob -----Original Message----- From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Heitz Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:02 AM To: Jeff Kuyken; Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. The meteorite penetrated the roof of this house http://www.meteorman.org/Carancas.htm Regards, Tim Heitz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Kuyken" <info at meteorites.com.au> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov> To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote: > I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made > structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the > term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning > and interest (at least to me). > Matt > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> > > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. > > > Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? > It hit a man made dirt road. > And Hosur made a hole in a road too. > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von > Michael > Gilmer > Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57 > An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. > > > Hi Listees! :) > > I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my > collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable > number - albeit still quite small compared to some > of the envious collections other list members have. > > So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and > how many hammers do you have in your collection? > > Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : > > Hammer falls - > > Allende > Carancas > Claxton > Gao Guenie > Holbrook > Moss > Murchison > New Orleans > Park Forest > Peekskill > Weston > > Other witnessed falls - > > Bassikounou > Chergach > Ensisheim > Juvinas > Norton County > Shalka > Sikhote Alin > Tagish Lake > Tamdakht > Tatahouine > Udei Station > "West" Texas > Zag > Zagami > > This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed > falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened > after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from > Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting > point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary > line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few > recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, > Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or > are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. > > As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any > meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. > The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more > interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine > how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions > of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite > hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill > is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, > Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an > occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional > circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) > > New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but > it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying > a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting > is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to > New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, > tattooed or sans virginity. ;) > > Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous > phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. > Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. > I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a > fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like > Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting > a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't > buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two > teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these > two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever > find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly > emanated from the Carancas crater? > > Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of > amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell > on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate > that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and > got retarded about their meteorite laws. > Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, > then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of > town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike > Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent > piece of Allende. > Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a > multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers. > Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety > of targets. > Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's? > > Best regards and clear skies! > > MikeG > > PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading > this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured > Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :) > > ......................................................... > Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) > Member of the Meteoritical Society. > Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. > Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com > .......................................................... > > > > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > ______________________________________________ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ______________________________________________ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listReceived on Sun 15 Mar 2009 02:23:09 PM PDT |
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