[meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave

From: Walter Branch <waltbranch_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:48:25 -0400
Message-ID: <7F31B3F331CD42649D63FA6275D70D2D_at_Walter>

Hi Darryl,

Okay, but...

>or scholarly assessment---

That's what I assumed we are attempting. This list is for meteorite
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.

I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.

-Walter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
To: "Walter Branch" <waltbranch at bellsouth.net>
Cc: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave




Hi Walter!

With all respect....

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire. In fact the foregoing
types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES. Primary blast injury is
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull....

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:

> Hello Darryl,
>
>> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
>> wave not killed by the bomb?
>
> No. They would killed by the shock wave.
>
> If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a
> "hammer?" No.
>
> Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.
>
> It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -
> Douglas Adams.
>
> -Walter Branch
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darryl Pitt" <darryl at dof3.com>
> To: "Impactika" <impactika at aol.com>
> Cc: <IMCA at imcamail.de>; "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation from Dave
>
>
>
> (deep breath)
>
> is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by
> the bomb?
>
>
>
> hi anne! ;-)
>
>
> On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote:
>
>> Hello Dave, and all,
>>
>> I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed
>> on the other List.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite
>> would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the
>> picture, but it would have to be properly documented, with proof that
>> this specific fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is
>> the actual fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just
>> that: a fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they
>> might have been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the
>> meteorite.
>>
>> With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as
>> hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs,
>> .... and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable
>> documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of
>> the Park Forest meteorite.
>>
>> That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since
>> they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls.
>>
>> As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website
>> unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen
>> did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees,
>> fields.... don't count!).
>>
>> But that is my opinion.
>> Any others?
>>
>> Anne Black
>> IMCA - #2356
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time,
>> altmann at meteorite-martin.de writes:
>> Von: dave at fallingrocks.com [mailto:dave at fallingrocks.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. M?rz 2009 15:47
>> An: Martin Altmann
>> Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers & Orientation
>>
>> Hi, Martin,
>>
>> Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web
>> interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks:
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they
>> are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie
>> collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a
>> piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece
>> they're contemplating purchase around was picked up in a field two
>> miles away. Thuathe might not be the best example, as it's a killer
>> meteorite in its own right. Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no
>> means reflected in market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better.
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Dave
>>
>> IMCA #5967
>>
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>>
>>
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