[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS

From: Matthias Bärmann <majbaermann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:49:08 +0100
Message-ID: <D68B278C0466402A9183A8D8D8C0D17C_at_thinkcentre>

Well, dear aficionados,

as it really seems to be a subject:

perhaps something is wrong with me but I must confess that I
don't understand why the hell to prefer - and pay much more for - a
killer, hammer, damager, penetrator, bone-breaker etc., compared with a nice
and honest meteorite, simply making a hole in the soil.

Just my pacifistic 2 cents,

and my very best,

Matthias Baermann

----- Original Message -----
From: <cdtucson at cox.net>
To: "Meteorite List" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "Jeff Kuyken"
<info at meteorites.com.au>; "Michael Blood" <mlblood at cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS


>
> Michael,
> Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should
> add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw
>
> Carl Esparza
> IMCA 5829
> Meteoritemax
>
>
> ---- Michael Blood <mlblood at cox.net> wrote:
>> In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications
>> That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock
>> Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when
>> Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power
>> Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated
>> Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable
>> to a life threatening shock wave impact).
>> Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large
>> Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred
>> Yards away. Apparently this "clod" had meteorite
>> Fragments included, as numerous small fragments
>> Were found around the building, though none were
>> Found at that distance away from the building.
>>
>>
>> > From: Jeff Kuyken <info at meteorites.com.au>
>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100
>> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> > I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on
>> > the
>> > list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I
>> > know
>> > dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting
>> > something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman at usgs.gov>
>> > To: "Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> > LONG.
>> >
>> >
>> > It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied
>> > to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
>> > Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
>> > #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.
>> >
>> > jeff
>> >
>> > mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
>> >> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a
>> >> human-made
>> >> structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken
>> >> the
>> >> term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true
>> >> meaning
>> >> and interest (at least to me).
>> >> Matt
>> >> Matt Morgan
>> >> Mile High Meteorites
>> >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
>> >> P.O. Box 151293
>> >> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>> >>
>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To:
>> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning,
>> >> LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
>> >> It hit a man made dirt road.
>> >> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> >> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>> >> Michael
>> >> Gilmer
>> >> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
>> >> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> >> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi Listees! :)
>> >>
>> >> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
>> >> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a
>> >> semi-respectable
>> >> number - albeit still quite small compared to some
>> >> of the envious collections other list members have.
>> >>
>> >> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and
>> >> how many hammers do you have in your collection?
>> >>
>> >> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>> >>
>> >> Hammer falls -
>> >>
>> >> Allende
>> >> Carancas
>> >> Claxton
>> >> Gao Guenie
>> >> Holbrook
>> >> Moss
>> >> Murchison
>> >> New Orleans
>> >> Park Forest
>> >> Peekskill
>> >> Weston
>> >>
>> >> Other witnessed falls -
>> >>
>> >> Bassikounou
>> >> Chergach
>> >> Ensisheim
>> >> Juvinas
>> >> Norton County
>> >> Shalka
>> >> Sikhote Alin
>> >> Tagish Lake
>> >> Tamdakht
>> >> Tatahouine
>> >> Udei Station
>> >> "West" Texas
>> >> Zag
>> >> Zagami
>> >>
>> >> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
>> >> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened
>> >> after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from
>> >> Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting
>> >> point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary
>> >> line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few
>> >> recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc,
>> >> Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or
>> >> are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
>> >> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
>> >> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
>> >> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine
>> >> how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions
>> >> of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
>> >> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill
>> >> is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
>> >> Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an
>> >> occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional
>> >> circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>> >>
>> >> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but
>> >> it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying
>> >> a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting
>> >> is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to
>> >> New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged,
>> >> tattooed or sans virginity. ;)
>> >>
>> >> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous
>> >> phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
>> >> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>> >> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
>> >> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
>> >> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting
>> >> a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't
>> >> buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two
>> >> teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
>> >> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
>> >> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
>> >> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>> >>
>> >> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of
>> >> amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell
>> >> on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate
>> >> that Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and
>> >> got retarded about their meteorite laws.
>> >> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende,
>> >> then you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of
>> >> town on a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike
>> >> Murchison, you don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent
>> >> piece of Allende.
>> >> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
>> >> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
>> >> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety
>> >> of targets.
>> >> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
>> >>
>> >> Best regards and clear skies!
>> >>
>> >> MikeG
>> >>
>> >> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
>> >> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured
>> >> Mr. Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>> >>
>> >> .........................................................
>> >> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
>> >> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
>> >> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
>> >> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
>> >> http://www.glassthrower.com
>> >> ..........................................................
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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