[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

From: Dave Gheesling <dave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 19:56:29 -0400
Message-ID: <21E97E276C57424C86D414C37C94CF1F_at_meteorroom>

All,
Agreed, Jeff. Michael's definition, though no question well considered,
leaves a lot of gray area to the unknowing buyer. To call a specimen that
actually hit a qualifier a "hammer stone" makes perfect sense. But to call
all of the other specimens from that fall "hammers" (see, I believe, #2 in
his list of criteria) is misleading at best (I'm not suggestion this is
intentional, mind you). I recently pushed out the suggestion that these
other such individuals be labeled as part of a "hammer fall" recently, only
to learn that Matt (at least I think it was Matt) had already done so
perhaps years ago. Another opportunity for IMCA -- along with the
orientation system that was discussed many months ago but must be currently
residing in the abyss -- to pursue...
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

It seems to me that this marketing term "hammer" should only be applied to
the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower.
Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone
#2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass.

jeff

mail at mhmeteorites.com wrote:
> I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made
structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term
and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and
interest (at least to me).
> Matt
> Matt Morgan
> Mile High Meteorites
> http://www.mhmeteorites.com
> P.O. Box 151293
> Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Ehm is Ourique a hammer too?
> It hit a man made dirt road.
> And Hosur made a hole in a road too.
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Michael Gilmer
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. M?rz 2009 16:57
> An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
>
>
> Hi Listees! :)
>
> I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my
> collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a
> semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of
> the envious collections other list members have.
>
> So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how
> many hammers do you have in your collection?
>
> Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers :
>
> Hammer falls -
>
> Allende
> Carancas
> Claxton
> Gao Guenie
> Holbrook
> Moss
> Murchison
> New Orleans
> Park Forest
> Peekskill
> Weston
>
> Other witnessed falls -
>
> Bassikounou
> Chergach
> Ensisheim
> Juvinas
> Norton County
> Shalka
> Sikhote Alin
> Tagish Lake
> Tamdakht
> Tatahouine
> Udei Station
> "West" Texas
> Zag
> Zagami
>
> This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed
> falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I
> started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou
> forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has
> meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall
> collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the
> hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others
> which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me
> to afford at the moment.
>
> As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any
> meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it.
> The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more
> interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how
> small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of
> postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite
> hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great
> hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been
> more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a
> hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that
> happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;)
>
> New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also
> tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That
> makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the
> overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to
> visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans
> virginity. ;)
>
> Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase
> he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie.
> Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting.
>
> I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a
> fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like
> Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a
> whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy
> what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of
> the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these
> two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever
> find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly
> emanated from the Carancas crater?
>
> Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino
> acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my
> wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a must have. We are fortunate that
> Murch happened before the Australians lost all good sense and got
> retarded about their meteorite laws.
>
> Allende! Who doesn't love Allende? If you don't love Allende, then
> you are a communist, a criminal, and you should be run out of town on
> a rail. Allende is Mexico's Murchison. And unlike Murchison, you
> don't have to mortgage your house to own a decent piece of Allende.
>
> Park Forest is also a favorite. It's not just a hammer, it's a
> multiple impactor. It's arguably one of the most prolific hammers.
> Park Forest beaned, struck, dented, and walloped a wide variety of
> targets.
>
> Well, that's some of my favorite hammers and falls. What are your's?
>
> Best regards and clear skies!
>
> MikeG
>
> PS - Everyone say hello to Mr. Michael Blood, who I know it reading
> this post! By putting "hammers" in the title, I have ensured Mr.
> Blood's attention and response. ;) LOL :)
>
> .........................................................
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
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