[meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <899105.99526.qm_at_web110609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Greg, you are absolutely correct, and believe me, it won't happen again.
Silence is golden from now on.
Michael Farmer


--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> To: MeteorHntr at aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
> I have talked to many members of this list about this
> fall.
> I think it would have been best to keep it quiet from day
> one.
> By showing it off and talking about it was much like taking
> a kid into a candy store and not letting them get any -
> IMO.
>
> All the drama could have been avoided if the people hunting
> it would have kept quiet from the start. Surely you guys
> must have known that there would be bad feelings about
> this...
>
> Since my first post about this, I have wanted to keep quiet
> as to not get caught up in anymore then I already have but I
> have to say that the people who found this should not have
> made anything public if they did not want others out there,
> plain and simple.
>
> I too would like to understand why people out there dont
> want others in their "backyard" yet feel it is perfectly
> accpetable for them to do the same exact thing in West.
>
> I think alot of BS and drama could have been avoided by
> keeping it total secret rather then the method of "look what
> we found, but your not allowed to know where"
>
> This has caused alot of drama on this list and I hope the
> fall was worth it to those hunting and showing off the
> finds... I also hope that in the future if anyone who finds
> a new fall does not want others out there or asking that
> they simply keep quiet about it.
>
> Greg C.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com
> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: MeteorHntr at aol.com
> <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a
> meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> > To: cdtucson at cox.net,
> meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com,
> Impactika at aol.com,
> meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:52 PM
> > Carl, Anne and Mike,
> >
> > I am a bit? bewildered about this as well.
> >
> > If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove? because he
> > wanted to slit his car
> > tires, that would be one thing.? But? I don't
> > think that is the case here.?
> >
> > When I was at West hunting,? and finding lots of
> > rocks, would I ever think
> > someone was doing something? unethical if someone
> > asked what car I was
> > driving or where I was parked and? hunting??
> > No.? Would I want them to know?? Not
> > always.? So? sometimes I would hide my car, or
> > take someone else's to a
> > hunting? spot.
> >
> > If someone found my car, would I be mad at them??
> No.
> > Would I? file an
> > ethics complaint with the IMCA?? No.
> >
> > In fact, one? afternoon I returned from a field near
> > where we had pulled a
> > lot of West? stones out, only to see Farmer standing
> > by my car waiting.?
> > Others around? said he was waiting there for over a
> > half hour to talk with me.?
> > Did? he do anything unethical by doing that?? I
> > don't think so.
> >
> > Did that? make me want to share all my strewnfield
> > data with Mike even
> > though he was? almost crying on the this list
> begging
> > for me to share it????No,
> > his? attitude made me want to keep my info even more
> > secret.
> >
> > I find it? flattering that Mike finally comes around
> > to my way of thinking
> > as he gains more? experience, as he has in this
> case.
> >
> >
> > Mike calls this a "Blood sport" but? turns around
> and
> > cries "foul" when
> > someone wants to know what car he is?
> > driving????Interesting.
> >
> > (This is where I would normally insert? a humorous
> > insult towards Mike, but
> > I want the record to show that I have? refrained
> from
> > doing so.)
> >
> > Steve Arnold
> > of "Meteorite? Men"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/17/2009 1:27:52 P.M. Central?
> > Daylight Time,
> > cdtucson at cox.net
> > writes:
> > Anne,
> > It is hard to believe that? you would put this on
> the
> > list.
> > Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure? Jack
> can
> > claim ownership of
> > his finds and nobody is going to take them away
> from?
> > him but give us all a
> > break here. This is a fall that was observed by
> dozens
> > of? people and there
> > are dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I
> don't
> > think? this hit Jack
> > on the head. I think he also had to figure this out.
> Why is
> > he any? better
> > than the rest of us???? I simply asked what Mike
> drives as
> > verification? but
> > obviously I had already figured out the general area.
> Cat
> > Mountain was also
> >? this big secret that I had to do a lot of work
> to find out
> > where it was. I
> > then? shared this info with others and it resulted
> in
> > the discovery of
> > Snyder Hill? while they were looking. This is all
> good
> > and if you don't agree I
> > am sorry but? How can you say? that this is
> > Jack's find???? That is
> > ridiculous!
> > I did? not post the location but I did ask Mike if I
> > could help earlier and
> > he rejected? me. This would have made this location
> > confidential. Now I'm
> > not so sure? And? Jack never personally even
> bothered
> > to respond to my list
> > posts and requests to? help. As you know I offered
> to
> > rescue these critters
> > before they drown in the? rains. They said no.
> > I don't know what material is left to be found but?
> > hopefully now more will
> > be found before they do drown. Again this is all?
> > good.
> > PS what is your call on the leak of a private email
> your
> > Honor????
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > IMCA 5829
> > Meteoritemax?
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