[meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza

From: Greg Catterton <star_wars_collector_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:26:58 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <507741.91301.qm_at_web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I have talked to many members of this list about this fall.
I think it would have been best to keep it quiet from day one.
By showing it off and talking about it was much like taking a kid into a candy store and not letting them get any - IMO.

All the drama could have been avoided if the people hunting it would have kept quiet from the start. Surely you guys must have known that there would be bad feelings about this...

Since my first post about this, I have wanted to keep quiet as to not get caught up in anymore then I already have but I have to say that the people who found this should not have made anything public if they did not want others out there, plain and simple.

I too would like to understand why people out there dont want others in their "backyard" yet feel it is perfectly accpetable for them to do the same exact thing in West.

I think alot of BS and drama could have been avoided by keeping it total secret rather then the method of "look what we found, but your not allowed to know where"

This has caused alot of drama on this list and I hope the fall was worth it to those hunting and showing off the finds... I also hope that in the future if anyone who finds a new fall does not want others out there or asking that they simply keep quiet about it.

Greg C.


--- On Fri, 7/17/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com <MeteorHntr at aol.com> wrote:

> From: MeteorHntr at aol.com <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> To: cdtucson at cox.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Impactika at aol.com, meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:52 PM
> Carl, Anne and Mike,
>
> I am a bit? bewildered about this as well.
>
> If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove? because he
> wanted to slit his car
> tires, that would be one thing.? But? I don't
> think that is the case here.?
>
> When I was at West hunting,? and finding lots of
> rocks, would I ever think
> someone was doing something? unethical if someone
> asked what car I was
> driving or where I was parked and? hunting??
> No.? Would I want them to know?? Not
> always.? So? sometimes I would hide my car, or
> take someone else's to a
> hunting? spot.
>
> If someone found my car, would I be mad at them?? No.
> Would I? file an
> ethics complaint with the IMCA?? No.
>
> In fact, one? afternoon I returned from a field near
> where we had pulled a
> lot of West? stones out, only to see Farmer standing
> by my car waiting.?
> Others around? said he was waiting there for over a
> half hour to talk with me.?
> Did? he do anything unethical by doing that?? I
> don't think so.
>
> Did that? make me want to share all my strewnfield
> data with Mike even
> though he was? almost crying on the this list begging
> for me to share it????No,
> his? attitude made me want to keep my info even more
> secret.
>
> I find it? flattering that Mike finally comes around
> to my way of thinking
> as he gains more? experience, as he has in this case.
>
>
> Mike calls this a "Blood sport" but? turns around and
> cries "foul" when
> someone wants to know what car he is?
> driving????Interesting.
>
> (This is where I would normally insert? a humorous
> insult towards Mike, but
> I want the record to show that I have? refrained from
> doing so.)
>
> Steve Arnold
> of "Meteorite? Men"
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/17/2009 1:27:52 P.M. Central?
> Daylight Time,
> cdtucson at cox.net
> writes:
> Anne,
> It is hard to believe that? you would put this on the
> list.
> Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure? Jack can
> claim ownership of
> his finds and nobody is going to take them away from?
> him but give us all a
> break here. This is a fall that was observed by dozens
> of? people and there
> are dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I don't
> think? this hit Jack
> on the head. I think he also had to figure this out. Why is
> he any? better
> than the rest of us???? I simply asked what Mike drives as
> verification? but
> obviously I had already figured out the general area. Cat
> Mountain was also
> this big secret that I had to do a lot of work to find out
> where it was. I
> then? shared this info with others and it resulted in
> the discovery of
> Snyder Hill? while they were looking. This is all good
> and if you don't agree I
> am sorry but? How can you say? that this is
> Jack's find???? That is
> ridiculous!
> I did? not post the location but I did ask Mike if I
> could help earlier and
> he rejected? me. This would have made this location
> confidential. Now I'm
> not so sure? And? Jack never personally even bothered
> to respond to my list
> posts and requests to? help. As you know I offered to
> rescue these critters
> before they drown in the? rains. They said no.
> I don't know what material is left to be found but?
> hopefully now more will
> be found before they do drown. Again this is all?
> good.
> PS what is your call on the leak of a private email your
> Honor????
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> IMCA 5829
> Meteoritemax?
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