[meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <638892.9778.qm_at_web110605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Steve

There are a few differences in these situations.

1. West was a free for all, I merely drove a mile down the road and found 5 or 6 cars and lots of hunters sitting beside the road, not exactly James Bond level work (I know them all) so I stopped. I was not out looking for you. And there were about 50 hunters in the strewnfield at that time, all we were doing was expanding the known area.

2. I was not begging people to give your vehicle information so I could spy on you.

3. This is not a free for all strewnfield yet, and Carl in that email was making offers, that if those he asked gave him my car data, he would make it worth their information.

4. Carl is acting like the searching for my vehicle is meteorite hunting as opposed to taking eyewitness reports, driving all over southern Arizona, taking aziumuths with compasses, and triangulating this fall, which is what Jack did. Homework paid off, he did not stoop to merely looking for the hunters.

Steve, I wanted your data on your West stones more for total known weight and number of stones found more than coordinates. I knew where you were the whole time, and respected your location and me or people with me never hunted where you were. There is some respect involved actually.


If hunters did their homework and showed up in the strewnfield, that is one thing, but to resort to spying on me, that is pitiful, like I said.
I guess I have to watch for cars waiting at my gate from now on. Taking the shortcut is the way of a lazy person.

Steve, there are differences in these situations.
thanks by the way on your congrats for the stone I found, I sent a reply but with the wrong email so it did not go through.


I feel that am IMCA member is acting in a way that is wrong, and Anne seems to agree.

Michael Farmer


--- On Fri, 7/17/09, MeteorHntr at aol.com <MeteorHntr at aol.com> wrote:

> From: MeteorHntr at aol.com <MeteorHntr at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
> To: cdtucson at cox.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com, Impactika at aol.com, meteoriteguy at yahoo.com
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 12:52 PM
> Carl, Anne and Mike,
>
> I am a bit? bewildered about this as well.
>
> If Carl had asked what car Farmer drove? because he
> wanted to slit his car
> tires, that would be one thing.? But? I don't
> think that is the case here.?
>
> When I was at West hunting,? and finding lots of
> rocks, would I ever think
> someone was doing something? unethical if someone
> asked what car I was
> driving or where I was parked and? hunting??
> No.? Would I want them to know?? Not
> always.? So? sometimes I would hide my car, or
> take someone else's to a
> hunting? spot.
>
> If someone found my car, would I be mad at them?? No.
> Would I? file an
> ethics complaint with the IMCA?? No.
>
> In fact, one? afternoon I returned from a field near
> where we had pulled a
> lot of West? stones out, only to see Farmer standing
> by my car waiting.?
> Others around? said he was waiting there for over a
> half hour to talk with me.?
> Did? he do anything unethical by doing that?? I
> don't think so.
>
> Did that? make me want to share all my strewnfield
> data with Mike even
> though he was? almost crying on the this list begging
> for me to share it????No,
> his? attitude made me want to keep my info even more
> secret.
>
> I find it? flattering that Mike finally comes around
> to my way of thinking
> as he gains more? experience, as he has in this case.
>
>
> Mike calls this a "Blood sport" but? turns around and
> cries "foul" when
> someone wants to know what car he is?
> driving????Interesting.
>
> (This is where I would normally insert? a humorous
> insult towards Mike, but
> I want the record to show that I have? refrained from
> doing so.)
>
> Steve Arnold
> of "Meteorite? Men"
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/17/2009 1:27:52 P.M. Central?
> Daylight Time,
> cdtucson at cox.net
> writes:
> Anne,
> It is hard to believe that? you would put this on the
> list.
> Respectfully , this is not Jack's find. Sure? Jack can
> claim ownership of
> his finds and nobody is going to take them away from?
> him but give us all a
> break here. This is a fall that was observed by dozens
> of? people and there
> are dozens of us out looking for evidence of it. I don't
> think? this hit Jack
> on the head. I think he also had to figure this out. Why is
> he any? better
> than the rest of us???? I simply asked what Mike drives as
> verification? but
> obviously I had already figured out the general area. Cat
> Mountain was also
> this big secret that I had to do a lot of work to find out
> where it was. I
> then? shared this info with others and it resulted in
> the discovery of
> Snyder Hill? while they were looking. This is all good
> and if you don't agree I
> am sorry but? How can you say? that this is
> Jack's find???? That is
> ridiculous!
> I did? not post the location but I did ask Mike if I
> could help earlier and
> he rejected? me. This would have made this location
> confidential. Now I'm
> not so sure? And? Jack never personally even bothered
> to respond to my list
> posts and requests to? help. As you know I offered to
> rescue these critters
> before they drown in the? rains. They said no.
> I don't know what material is left to be found but?
> hopefully now more will
> be found before they do drown. Again this is all?
> good.
> PS what is your call on the leak of a private email your
> Honor????
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> IMCA 5829
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