[meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:16 -0400
Message-ID: <7CF23DD5F04547A2A1BB200B13FF7E02_at_QED>

I think what you say goes for any community. Certainly in the scientific
ones.

Take Robert Oppenheimer for example, who was director of the Manhattan
project. A genius, and a charismatic figure. But he had a real caustic
side also. If he felt that a student was asking an elementary question, he
would humiliate him or her in front of the other students. But if he took a
liking to you, it was completely different. Here was a man who did not win
a Nobel prize, yet he supervised several Nobel prize winners. He was a man
who was in charge of a billions of dollars worth of spending, but his only
prior budgetary experience was at a university Department of Physics.

In spite of all his genius and charisma, it was still his caustic side - the
failure to treat all people who did not have his intelligence - the
newcomers for lack of a better word - that was his downfall.

No, I don't think the meteorite community is any different than other types
of communities. You have all types of people. Some are more vocal than
others. But the true greats - and they are few and far between in any field
of endeavor - have the smarts as well as empathy for the people who they
deal with - and they are not out to prove anything to anyone. The
accomplishments speak louder than the words.

Mark Grossman


----- Original Message -----
From: "GREG LINDH" <geeg48 at msn.com>
To: <markig at westnet.com>
Cc: "meteorite-list" <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
BESTANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?




    Hi Mark,

  I don't know whether Bob Haag is the best hunter/collector, but I can tell
you that he is the nicest guy you could want to know, and that is a rare
thing in the meteorite community. I met him at the Tucson show a couple of
years ago and he knew that I was a newbie and that I couldn't even begin to
afford the stuff he was selling, but he took *a lot* of his time and just
talked and encouraged me. I'll tell you what, that is a *rare* thing to see
in this community.

  Greg





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> From: markig at westnet.com
> To: mikewren at gilanet.com
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:13:38 -0400
> CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>
> Trust me, you don't want to know!
>
> I am an industrial hygienist, and the profession has changed so much over
> the years. It used to be about protecting worker health and safety - now
> so
> much of the profession is devoted to mold investigation, asbestos
> remediation and lead remediation.
>
> It frequently comes down to chasing the almighty dollar.
>
> Perhaps things will change with the new administration in Washington, but
> I
> really don't know.
>
> In any event, sorry to go off topic for a moment.
>
> Back to business - I am fairly new to the meteorite field, but the name
> Bob
> Haag comes to my mind. Whether this is a reasonable choice, I don't know.
> But this will give you an indication of who new people coming to the hobby
> think - right or wrong. I will leave it for others on the list to discuss
> the merits.
>
> But when I think of physics, I think Einstein. When I think of Chemistry,
> I
> think Lavoisier. Granted, these are deceased.
>
> But I feel really strongly about the concept. The great people, whoever
> they are and in whatever field, just become known by their
> accomplishments,
> regardless of any promotion and hype. If it's just promotion and hype,
> they
> are soon forgotten, so history becomes the ultimate judge.
>
> In any event, thanks for the question! Kind of interesting!
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael cottingham"
> To: "Mark Grossman"
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I can agree with what you say... I am now actually very curious about who
>> the best mold investigator is though?!!
>>
>> Best Wishes
>>
>> Michael
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:54 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> You have the advantage on me here.
>>>
>>> But regardless, the concept holds true for whatever field. If you have
>>> to ask who is the best, and there is confustion in the particular
>>> community, THE best is yet to be determined.
>>>
>>> Holds true for meteorite hunters as well as any other professionals (in
>>> my opinion, that is!)
>>>
>>> Believe me, if there is a mold investigator who is the best without
>>> question, there is - or eventually will be - a meteorite hunter who
>>> everyone acknowledges is THE best.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>
>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE BEST
>>> ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>
>>>
>>>> But Actually, Nininger did NOT personally find that many meteorites.
>>>> That is the confusion. He is Great, I understand that, but as far as
>>>> personal recoveries, where the hunter actually found the meteorite,
>>>> Nininger found very, very few...
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:46 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No - still true - look how many times Nininger was mentioned within
>>>>> the first few minutes of your post.
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is confusion, then THE best is yet to be determined!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> To: "Mark Grossman"
>>>>> Cc:
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:35 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, I don't believe that is true... evidence is abundantly
>>>>>> clear that in the field of meteorites there is confusion on the
>>>>>> subject.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Wishes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Mark Grossman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have to determine who it is. Everyone in the particular
>>>>>>> community just knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it's not a question of TV shows, or magazine articles. Just
>>>>>>> reputation built on accomplishment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't matter what field it is - physics, chemistry, mold
>>>>>>> investigation, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone just knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Grossman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael cottingham"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:14 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Question For The List ???? WHO IS THE
>>>>>>> BEST ANDMOST SUCCESSFUL METEORITE HUNTER OUT THERE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a simple question or is it? How do you determine who is
>>>>>>>> the best and most successful meteorite hunter in the world?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am curious?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>
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