[meteorite-list] Arizona fall

From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks <meteoritemike_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:39:19 -0400
Message-ID: <e51421550907051839h79bdcb3x972b5d045e1bbab3_at_mail.gmail.com>

Well put Martin. :)

Private landowner first - if the meteorite falls on private property.
(large corporations and governments need not apply)

Science next - with the hopes that private landowner will do the right
thing and donate some of the fall to science.

Hunters next - they do the real work to bring the specimens to light.

Collectors and peanut gallery last - our dollars provide the incentive
for all of the above (with the exception of science) to care about
meteorites. But we don't do the field work or the science.

I don't begrudge anyone who is out there in the field working this new
Arizona strewnfield - provided that they are doing the right thing for
the landowners and science. I envy them and wish I could be there
too. Congrats again to Jack and company for working this new fall.

Early question - what will this fall be called? What is the nearest
geological feature or post office?

Early question #2 - any guesses on what the type might be?

Best regards and happy hunting,

MikeG




On 7/5/09, Martin Altmann <altmann at meteorite-martin.de> wrote:
> Yes Jeff,
>
> in a positive sense, cause meteorites are certainly no resources.
> And else I can't find meteorites mentioned at all there.
>
> And if I follow the sentence (according Austrian laws) about the Austrian
> part of the Neuschwanstein fall, it offers an interesting aspect,
> which might has to be proven first:
>
> There they decided, that the meteorite (recovered 3 years after the fall)
> had NOT became part of the land it was found on.
>
> Interesting, isn't it?
>
> Anyway, we can indulge in legal persnicketinesses as long as we want,
> clear is,
> that we will totally ruin that subbranch of space and Earth science,
> the more crude laws come into force or are tried to be overstreched.
>
> Because if not private people would pick the meteorite up - like they did
> the 200 years before to deliver 90% or more of the non-Antarctic finds or
> falls, who else should do it?
>
> With West we heard that one single person from the science side entered the
> field. Art Ehlmann.
>
> Then we have a Suisse team searching Oman and that was it on Earth.
> Else sporadically some university teams, who recover always not more than 2
> or 3 stones, almost all old ordinary chondrites of minor scientific value.
>
> Antarctica is fine, but they can't bring the performance the private people
> are doing around the globe (that Antarcica is 100 times more expensive, one
> hasn't to mention anymore) and they can't recover fresh falls.
>
> If we want such a complete breakdown like in Australia, then we should carry
> on in inventing more and more restrictions.
>
> I'm writing from Europe, where half of the observed falls of the decade
> wouldn't have been recovered or noticed at all, if not private people would
> have cared for
> and where the tkws of very most of the other half would have stayed very
> tiny, if the private section hadn't added so many.
>
> It should be one of the most urgent missions of the Meteoritical Society in
> London to take care for politics and legislation around the world turning
> back to a state of reason and to grant that the very substance of that field
> of science won't be lost.
>
> Until that isn't achieved, hunters, scientists and collectors - come to
> Austria.
>
> Gosh, we're talking about meteorites. The most whack and strangest and
> rarest objects on Earth, without any cultural, economical or natural
> importance. And of solely scientific interest, where the researchers are
> glad and happy that people are going out to look for them.
> How anyone with a brain could come to the idea to make a law for meteorites?
>
>
> So - let's handle the case more pragmactically:
> Let Schrader, Farmer & Co. save the stones first and the strewnfield data,
> before we hang them for the crime to have recovered a new pristine fall for
> science and a fall of historical dimensions for the State of Arizona.
>
> Anybody else here, who feels the absurdity the same way like me?
> Martin
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff
> Grossman
> Gesendet: Montag, 6. Juli 2009 02:37
> An: Meteorite-list
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona fall
>
> I am skeptical that this covers meteorites, even if a BLM employee
> thinks it does. Very skeptical.
>
> jeff
>
> Adam Hupe wrote:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> A question came up about who owns meteorites found on federal land.
>>
>> Below is a link that can be cut and pasted into a browser that discusses
> removal of minerals from federal land. I was told by a BLM officer that 150
> pounds can be removed a year for non-commercial/hobby purposes. The BLM
> will issue free non-commercial use permits if requested. I found that they
> will even mail them to you free. If you are caught removing minerals
> without one, the fines can be as great as $100,000.00 or a year in jail.
>>
>> If a meteorite weighs more than 150 pounds, it will have to be cut in the
> field and the rest recovered during subsequent years or the Smithsonian may
> claim it. The BLM can and will come after you if profits from any object
> including meteorites are taken from the sale of minerals from federal land.
> I was told that eBay is monitored all of time and notes taken. I made some
> poor agent spend more than an hour on the phone explaining what is and isn't
> acceptable to them to avoid future problems.
>>
>> The good news is that you can keep the meteorites!
>>
>> I think Jack,s approach of keeping the press out of this fall is well
> thought out. The first thing the press will do is mention there is monetary
> value in meteorites and then "Gold Fever" will set in. I have seen people do
> strange things and come up with poorly thought out plans when "Gold Fever"
> takes hold. People with this affliction are usually the ones that
> relentlessly chase the press instead of looking for meteorites themselves.
> They will stab fellow hunters in the back and forget all about long-forged
> friendships. They are best avoided all-together.
>>
>> Here is a link that will explain mineral laws in simple English:
>>
>>
> http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/MINERALS__REALTY__AND_RESOURCE
> _PROTECTION_/non-energy_minerals.Par.48557.File.dat/sand.pdf
>>
>>
>> By the way, Congratulations Jack, excellent job all around!
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
>>
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