[meteorite-list] Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read

From: lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu <lebofsky_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:02:42 -0700 (MST)
Message-ID: <cabef996ec12f64b91e467863452451c.squirrel_at_webmail.lpl.arizona.edu>

Hi Sterling:

The events quoted by you from John Lewis' book are open to interpretation.
Similar interpretations give us:

Ezekiel saw a flying saucer

And, for those who like interpretations of the Bible and other writings:

Joshua made the Earth stand still: This was due to the fact that Venus was
a comet that was spun off(?) from Jupiter (do not remember if this was the
source of the Great Red Spot) and flew by the Earth twice before becoming
a new planet. My memory is a little hazy on this, but I think this is also
the source of our oil. [I. Velikovsky] I think that it has been claimed
that this was confirmed when we found out that Venus was hot, having been
predicted by Velikovsky.

Larry

PS Sterling: Are you going to make me go back a reread the book to give
you more specific references?

> Hi, Matt, List,
>
> On September 14, 1511, in Cremona in Lombardy,
> Italy, a monk, several birds, and a sheep were killed
> by meteorites.
>
> Sometime between 1647 and 1654, two sailors on a
> ship en route from Japan to Sicily, while in the Indian
> Ocean, were killed by meteorites.
>
> Sometime between 1633 and 1664, a monk in Milan
> was killed by a meteorite which severed his femoral
> artery, causing him to bleed to death.
>
> Chinese records of lethal impact events include the
> death of 10 victims from a meteorite fall in 616 AD, an
> "iron rain" in the O-chia district in the 14th century
> that killed people and animals, several soldiers injured
> by the fall of a "large star" in Ho-t'ao in 1369, and many
> others. The most startling is a report of an event in early
> 1490 in Ch'ing-yang, Shansi, in which many people
> were killed when stones "fell like rain." Of the three
> known surviving reports of this event, one says that
> "over 10,000 people" were killed, and one says that
> "several tens of thousands" were killed.
>
> There is a discussion of these and many more such
> incidents in John S. Lewis, "Rain of Iron and Ice," 1996.
>
> One could collect pages and pages of early accounts of
> meteorite falls and pages more of events that could well
> be meteoritic although those that wrote the accounts
> did not know of the idea that stones could fall from the
> sky. You could fill a book... and people have.
>
> A catalogue of meteorites is not a book of reported falls;
> it is a book of collected and curated falls. The oldest
> curated stone is NOGATA, which fell May 19, 861 AD.
> It hit a shrine and has been kept there ever since. The
> meteorite that hit a house in NARA (then the capital
> city of Japan) in 764 AD doesn't count because nobody
> has it safely curated.
>
>> ...can they be substantiated?
>
> No more or less than the rest of history. They tell me
> Julius Caesar was assassinated. That's the story. Most
> agree that it happened. No one wrote to deny it. It's the
> story I always heard, so I believe it, like I do all the rest
> of history. But I wasn't there, I haven't checked the DNA
> on the dagger, I don't know where he was buried, I haven't
> read the autopsy report. I'm more than a carpet fiber away
> from proving the case...
>
> Three Chinese historical chronicles recount the huge
> meteorite fall and thousands of deaths in Ch'ing-yang,
> Shansi, in late February or early March of 1490. It's as
> much history as Caesar's assassination is, no more, no
> less. It's as "substantiated" as any history. There were
> no Ming Dynasty tabloid news stories. History-writing
> was politically sensitive and historians were occasionally
> executed for falsity, particularly about "heavenly" events.
>
>
> Sterling K. Webb
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Deaths? Interesting old article-read
>
>
>>A friend sent this link to me in regard to the Bear Creek meteorite.
>> <http://www.coloradohistoricnewspapers.org/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Uk1ELzE4NjYvMDUvMTQjQXIwMDIwMA==&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom>
>>
>> Near the end of the text it details the deaths of 3 monks and 2
>> Swedish sailors by meteorite impact!
>> Has anyone heard of this? The passage reads:
>>
>> "A few instances are on record of buildings being struck and set on
>> fire and persons struck dead by the fall of aerolites. These Three
>> monks were killed, one on the 4th September 1611, at Crema (?),
>> another at Milan, in 1650, and a third in the same place in 1660. In
>> 1674 two Swedish sailors on board ship were killed by the fall of
>> one."
>>
>> Having never heard of this I searched the Catalog of Meteorites and
>> came up blank. Has anyone heard of these falls and can they be
>> substantiated?
>>
>> Matt Morgan
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