[meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

From: Bob Loeffler <bobl_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:47:55 -0700
Message-ID: <20091221044757.58880105B9_at_mailwash5.pair.com>

Sorry, I think my last e-mail got sent before I was done...

After Greg Hupe contacts the Moroccan's who he has a problem with, if he
doesn't get resolutions that he expects, then he should let all of us know
who is involved, what happened and why he is still angry. I'm sure he has
tried this before, but let's just assume that they never got the
notification from Greg for whatever reason, so Greg should try one more
time. Let us know exactly which ones he has a problem with so we don't
assume that it really is "ALL Moroccans". Obviously, he hasn't dealt with
ALL Moroccans, just like ALL American dealers suck (which I have also
heard), but we know that this is not true. It's just a generalization.

I have purchased meteorites from Greg via eBay in the past, but I might not
anymore unless he "mans up" with the details, instead of saying "all
Moroccans". That's a cop out. I don't have any financial gain for what I'm
requesting. I believe in fairness and full disclosure. If people don't
want to fully disclose the problems that they've dealt with, then don't even
mention it here on the list! We don't want to hear it! Don't mention it in
passing if you don't want to give the full details. It doesn't help any of
us if we don't know the whole story. If direct correspondence with the
party in question doesn't resolve the issue, then let us know the details so
we can make an informed decision.

I'm sorry for being so direct (that is usually not like me), but this
bitching back and forth really starts to wear on me (and others, I'm sure)
when nothing gets accomplished. Give us details. If it's the truth, then
you have nothing to worry about.

Thanks,

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Loeffler [mailto:bobl at peaktopeak.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:23 PM
To: 'habibi abdelaziz'; 'meteorite list'
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

Hi all,

This is getting tiring. How about we do this....

Greg Hupe contacts the Moroccan's that he has problems with and tries to
reconcile with them the problems that he has had.

Bob



-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of habibi
abdelaziz
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 1:38 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWAs; a little more civil discussion, please

Hi all -

grondine wrote

We see adds for unclassified NWAs by the kilo. Clearly the Moroccans would
like to be able to directly sell unclassified NWAs mentioning possible
classes.
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no, they are from 15 year selling unclassified nwa nothing has changed , see
the meteortical bulletain , in 5000 nwa 10 or so have been classified by nwa
guys, so this is not the problem, they are selling the same way they are
doing there is 15 years,
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I am pretty certain that when finders come in with stones for them, they
have to make eyeball determinations.
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yes you are right ,we do gamble each day , you get it or you leave it , its
the middlemans that support tha gamble , the world dealer? buy with garantie
is it turn to be not good they are refunded,? so what has changed nothing,
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Can not some reasonable wording be found, or some new word or term, like
"unclassified possible" be come up with? Something that would be clear?
And could there be some kind of IMCA guarantee that is the "possible" turns
out to be "impossible", there be some kind of regular refund/exchange
mechanism set in place? -
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i have asked for that last year , to inculde many moorcans in the imca and
ask them to fallow the rules.........................
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In other words, some kind of rules so that Moroccan middlemen could be
recognized by the IMCA?
Can some reasonable solution be found?
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do trust you partner if there is a problem ask for a refund , also you can
ask for a sample before you buy and than everything is easy



Could I ask for a little more civiliaty in this discussion?

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yes i agree with you this list need more respectfull debat and discussion
incase of this barbaries and this noise;
?no one has the right to treat anyone badly or saying bad words , no one?has
this right.

so ask i ask here for more wise and respectfull? comminications



habibi aziz
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
phone. 21235576145
fax.21235576170</font>


      
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