[meteorite-list] On the other hand...

From: Mike Hankey <mike.hankey_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:58:49 -0400
Message-ID: <f0a794130908250758p1aa41c8dj1a8784c2e6be13f8_at_mail.gmail.com>

Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try
to realize the truth.
There is no spoon.
Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:05 AM, Meteorites USA<eric at meteoritesusa.com> wrote:
> :)
>
> Like I said it's endless... I guess I'm not smart enough to figure out if
> we're really real or not, but that's not "really" what I care about. I care
> about knowledge. That's what I seek in my never ending quest for
> understanding.
>
> Now regardless of the reality of our own existence, knowledge is real. We
> are conscious, aware, and we think? Someone said that already though didn't
> they, a guy that was probably way smarter than me. A quick search and I
> realize it was Rene Descartes that said it first.
>
> Matter does exist, or rather we perceive the effects of matter to be
> measurable. Even if it is only in our minds. We see it, touch it, feel it,
> experience it, mold it, form it, and in some cases are controlled by it and
> surrounded by it.
>
> Does it matter? ;) Yes. because if matter isn't real, then your argument is
> moot. And if your argument is moot, then it doesn't matter, because our
> perception of the effects of matter is one that not only makes it exist, but
> makes it measurable. Does that make sense?
>
> Our own senses and the observable effects that our brains control tells me
> that when I drop that meteorite on my foot it's gonna hurt. And it would in
> fact cause measurable physical damage. Which is an effect we perceive. We do
> in fact think, Therefore our own thoughts are our proof that we exist.
>
> If you perceive something to be real, it is... Even if only in your own
> mind.
>
> Does this mean we're all having one mass hallucination? ;)
>
> Regards,
> Eric
>
>
>
>
> Rob Matson wrote:
>>>
>>> ... there is no way for you to prove that I exist or you exist,
>>> or anything that you experience is real.
>>>
>>
>> You might want to try a modern, meteoritical spin on the rhetorical
>> approach taken by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century, when he responded
>> to Bishop Berkeley's claim that matter doesn't exist, but only ~seems~
>> to. Just drop a 10-kilo Campo on your foot from a height of one meter
>> and proudly announce, "I refute it thus!" (and then have someone take
>> you to the hospital) ?;-) ?--Rob
>>
>>
>>
>
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