[meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

From: Eduardo <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:38:30 -0300
Message-ID: <B0000042718_at_webmail.abaco.net.ar>

Hi
When buying Casper's inventory there were quite a few specimens marked Kem
Kem, but also some single pieces marked Kem Kem # (where # were different
numbers up to about 30), most of them cut by half. So my conclusion is
that most of the specimens are the original Kem Kem, but when something
looked different, it was named differently by Casper. As with all
meteorite finds, looking the same does not mean to be the same, but unless
you want to test every rock you have to live with this. They were found
around the same time of the Saharas 99xxx. I can't be sure that all of
them came actually from Kem Kem area, or were "transported" pre-NWA.
Hope this clears up a little this matter.
best regards
Eduardo

-----Original Message-----
From: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:49:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name
before NWAs, Northwest African meteorites

>
> Hi Rob,
>
> Thanks for opining. I was honestly just writing what I was told by
> several
> others and did not mean to get into an argument with Dirk, but felt
> that at
> this late hour of 12:45am, that I felt Dirk was angry and I apologize
> to him
> if I came across as angry or defensive and I will include him in this
> email
> to you Rob.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> Take it easy!
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob Wesel" <rob at nakhladogmeteorites.com>
> To: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 12:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name
> before
> NWAs,Northwest African meteorites
>
>
> >I will opine that Kem Kem did have a bit of the catchall going for it
> but
> >it did not precede NWA numbering
> >
> > The SA or Sahara numbers were first
> >
> > Other catchalls may include Oum Rokba (NWA400), NWA 869, Franconia,
> Dho
> > 020
> >
> > And let's slip in an ad...NWA 001 available here
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280383448019
> >
> > Rob Wesel
> > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
> > www.facebook.com/nakhladog
> > ------------------
> > We are the music makers...
> > and we are the dreamers of the dreams.
> > Willy Wonka, 1971
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>; "drtanuki"
> <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 10:06 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Kem Kem, the original generic name
> before
> > NWAs,Northwest African meteorites
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dirk,
> >>
> >> Why are you so angry? Your use of CAPS in INCORRECTLY and rambling
> on
> >> about
> >> hippies and food and Berber shave and Burma shave and all kinds of
> things
> >> that sound like you're high or drunk. Are you made at me about
> something
> >> or
> >> what has gotten into you? Is it because I asked your opinion on
> something
> >> or
> >> that I didn't buy any meteorites from you after asking you if you
> had
> >> certain specimens?
> >>
> >> I think it's inappropriate that you sent this to the list and went
> on and
> >> on
> >> about it. If you were clear headed you would have been able to tell
> that
> >> I
> >> wrote in the paragraph I sent that I was 'told' this information and
> NOT
> >> that it was my personal opinion, and I will print it here again:
> >>
> >> "I was 'told' from our fellow history buffs on the list and other
> IMCA
> >> members for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African"
> meteorites."
> >>
> >> I did NOT state this was my view, nor did I state that this was the
> >> gospel
> >> from me. I stated, again, "That I was told by others on the list,
> and
> >> IMCA
> >> members and if you had been reading the posts you would have read
> those."
> >> Everyone has said Kem Kem was a generic name and it seems to have
> DUG up
> >> a
> >> lot of old painful memories for you and you seem to be spewing them
> out
> >> here
> >> in anger at me.
> >>
> >> Please calm down and relax and read it again later today or in the
> >> evening
> >> when you can understand it better without jumping down my throat.
> >>
> >> There is something more than just my quote here that is angering you
> and
> >> I
> >> can't help you with that.
> >>
> >> Regards and all the best to you.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "drtanuki" <drtanuki at yahoo.com>
> >>> To: "Brian Cox" <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>; <"meteorite-
> >>> list"_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:46 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name
> before
> >>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Dear Brian and List,
> >>> Brian your are incorrect in your history lesson.
> >>> Michael Casper announced in his December 1999 catalogue that "a new
> find
> >>> out of Morocco- Kem-Kem" was "Found in August, 1999. Stone.
> >>> Classification pending. Kem Kem, Dahara, Morocco". Casper`s
> catalogue
> >>> lists:
> >>> 22.4g _at_ $44.80;
> >>> 26.9g_at_ $53.80
> >>> 31.5g_at_ $63.00
> >>> 33.5g_at_ $67.00
> >>> 41.0g_at_ $82.00
> >>> 46.8g_at_ $93.60
> >>> 53.2g_at_ $106.40
> >>> 58.6g_at_ $117.20
> >>> 67.4g_at_ $134.80
> >>> 70.0g_at_ $140.00
> >>> 83.1g_at_ $166.20
> >>> 114.9g_at_ $229.80
> >>> 153.6g_at_ $307.20
> >>>
> >>> In the same catalogue, he (Casper) has a multi-kilo piece
> photographed,
> >>> which I purchased. Kem-Kem was NOT a catch-all term for the
> meteorites
> >>> of NWA (Moroc/Algeria) at the time, as you wrote.
> >>>
> >>> So please do not confuse the messy history of the NWAs by
> INCORRECTLY
> >>> calling Kem-Kem the orginal generic name before NWAs.
> >>>
> >>> I was in Morocco in December 2000- January 2001 for six weeks and
> at
> >>> Kem-Kem prior/during the sale of NWA482 in the year of the
> planetary
> >>> alignment and eclipse... there were UK-Euro-hippies by the busloads
> for
> >>> the huge festival and arrested development.
> >>> The only great "hunter" that I ran into while I was there was Dean
> >>> Bessey in his Fiat at Merzouga (he dismounted his for shade); prior
> to
> >>> Bessey Specks perhaps not?
> >>>
> >>> Missed seeing Mike Farmer, Strope and others; but, I did spot a mad
> >>> German or Austrian at the petrol stop during the heat of the day.
> Also
> >>> missed the Great Habibi!
> >>>
> >>> When in Erfoud don`t miss out on the daily variety of Targine beef,
> >>> mutton or chicken and 30 glasses of mint tea.
> >>>
> >>> At the end of six weeks of wearing Berber you will be blue...Idir
> met
> >>> Idir et Kem-Kem! Truly an awesome experience to be at Kem-Kem at
> SunSet
> >>> on top of a tall hill and watch the winter shadows fall.
> >>>
> >>> Forget the Berber Shave and stick with Burma Shave if you are
> >>> searchingforfun.
> >>>
> >>> Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Brian Cox <searchingforfun at sbcglobal.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kem Kem, the original generic name
> before
> >>>> NWAs, Northwest African meteorites
> >>>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> >>>> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
> >>>> Here is a link to my 19.7 gram Kem
> >>>> Kem meteorite specimen, originally from Planet Brey
> >>>> meteorites about 9-10 years ago. Kem Kem was the name that
> >>>> was used approximately between 1999-2001, I was told, from
> >>>> our fellow history buffs on the list and other IMCA members
> >>>> for what we now call "NWAs" "Northwest African" meteorites.
> >>>>
> >>>> I added a photo of the original COA/card from Planet Brey
> >>>> just now in this auction.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/KEM-KEM-Meteorite-19-7g-IMCA-COA-Unclass-Probably-H
> 5_W0QQitemZ270440268847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3
> ef77f042f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, and clear happy meteorite filled skies tonight!
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>> IMCA # 6387
> >>>>
> >>>> searchingforfun is my
> >>>> ebay User ID
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