[meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 12:07:22 -0400
Message-ID: <093d01c8ae01$0b700470$0200a8c0_at_Gregor>

Hi Tom,

You asked, "What did you think when the first blue meteorite (NWA 2828) was
cut?" I thought, "What the heck is this stuff?!"

I had first purchased a very small amount of this material, cut it, and
thought it was the strangest "meteorite" I had seen to date, if it was a
meteorite at all. I then sent the type sample to the University of
Washington for analysis, and if a meteorite, classification. The original 20
gram sample did not have any of the chondrules so it was classified as an
aubrite. During the next 6-12 months of going to Morocco (maybe 5 or 6
trips), I kept my eye out for more of this material. I thought I had a coup
on this new "aubrite" so I traveled to Morocco more often during that time
and bought up as much as I could find.

It wasn't until I started to cut and polish this material to start to offer
it to collectors that the first chondrules started to present themselves.
They were not the typical chondrules like in OC's so I sent additional type
samples with these "features" to the scientists (eventually more samples and
80 grams later). Lab results..., "Chondrules!" "DAMN", was the next thought.
Thank goodness I had not offered any of this material publicly as I would
have had a real problem on my hands. :-/ So many months had passed by that
the first abstract stating the "aubrite" classification had made itself to
the Internet and it was from this information that another overseas dealer
who had some of this material had it up on his web site (without sending in
a type sample) and started selling it as NWA 2828. I thought "How
embarrassing for this person who did not want to send in his own sample and
get his own NWA number!" (this time it bit him in the butt!).

Eventually, and over time and with many people's help, the riddle of NWA
2828 (and its pairings 'Al Haggounia', and other NWA numbers) were revealed.
It is still a very interesting meteorite with a great story behind its
discovery and eventual classification. Now if we could just get Dr. Jambon
to acknowledge the hard work of his peers "Proving" once and for all, "Al
Haggounia" (the pairing to NWA 2828) is NOT AN AUBRITE!!!

Best regards,
Greg

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----- Original Message -----
From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????


> Thanks Greg, Beautiful photos! Every one interested in this material
> should check them out. I like the slice of "Blue" with an attached
> rhyolite
> pebble. http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>
> It is one thing to look at this material now with the knowledge of what
> it
> is. I can only call it astonishment when you cut into one like is shown
> in
> Greg's image. But Greg, what was it like to cut into a blue meteorite
> when it
> was new! I'm sure you had ideas of what it was but this was before any
> classification/analysis had been done. What did you think when the first
> blue
> meteorite was cut?
>
> Tom Phillips
>
>
> In a message dated 5/4/2008 9:14:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> gmhupe at htn.net writes:
> Hi Tom, Pete and List,
>
>
>
> Tom has been doing a fantastic job with his studies and I thank him for
> his
> tireless efforts and for sharing with us. Before the realization that NWA
> 2828, Al Haggounia and the other pairings to NWA 2828 were found to be an
> EL3 and NOT an aubrite, I spent many trips to Morocco buying up the
> "Blue"
> material. Needless to say, I have several kilos of the "Blue" EL3
> material,
> one of the lucky first-in buyers, not price-wise but material-wise :-)
>
>
>
> Here are some additional photo links of NWA 2828 "Blue", most have seen
> these as they are the ones I have with my eBay description of NWA 2828.
>
>
>
> Photograph of a 24.9g NWA 2828 slice with rhyolite pebble (image 1):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828pebble.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph of magnified radial pyroxene chondrule (image 2):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828chondrule.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph of magnified whitish enstatite-rich clast (image 3):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828clast.jpg
>
>
>
> Photograph of a 14.3g complete slice of NWA 2828 (image 4):
>
> http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa2828/nwa2828slice.jpg
>
>
>
> Enjoy!
> Greg
>
> ====================
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
> gmhupe at htn.net
> www.LunarRock.com
> IMCA 3163
> ====================
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> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <STARSANDSCOPES at aol.com>
> To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New or maybe old QUESTION??????
>
>
>> Hi Pete, IF you are looking for an affordable sample check out Al
>> Hagounia.
>> It matches your criteria and it is an Enstatite. NAU recently posted a
>> paper on their web site that nicely covers what it is, the terrestrial
>> alteration it has undergone, and it's location in the layers of
>> sediment.
>> http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
>>
>> The stuff is ugly on the outside but I have cut quite a few slices and
>> it
>
>> is
>> interesting when cut. It takes a polish quite nicely. When you happen
>> to
>> cut into a large radial chondrule it is beautiful. A sea of fine grain
>> brown
>> with only one big fan shaped chondrule. Those polished examples make
>> a
>> nice
>> display. Some times you get a "Blue" one! The Blue phase, NWA 2828
>> is
>> an
>> example, can be found mixed with the brown in the same slice. That is
>> not
>> common so it is fun when you find one. The best part is it is cheap
>> because
>> there is plenty to go around.
>>
>> Tom Phillips
>>
>> In a message dated 5/4/2008 1:09:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> pshugar at clearwire.net writes:
>> List,
>> Maybe this has been asked and answered (sounds like a lawer thing) and
>> maybe
>> not.
>> Since I am relatively new to collecting and certainly not an Expert in
>> any
>> area of meteorite study (with the exception of magnetisum (from the sky
>> magnetic VS made a magnet by processes here on earth).
>> Here's my question:
>> A geologist digs in an area that he thinks there will be the
>> likelyhood
>> of
>> finding a fossil. Maybe he gets lucky and maybe finds bunches of them.
>> Has anyone ever found a meteorite buried deep in a layer that is
>> thousands
>> or even millions of years old?
>> Years ago--long before I became an obsessed, crazed, meteorite addict,
>> while teaching a series on earthquakes, I had found a video of a
>> scientist
>> standing with one foot on the Pacific plate and the other foot on the
>> North
>> Americian plate, ie astraddle of the San Andreas fault line. In back of
>> him
>> was a small vertical clift of maybe 10 feet and you could plainly see
>> the
>> shift (approx 15 inches) in the layers of sediment.
>> Now I've got to thinking (some say this is my problem--Thinking) that
>> these
>> meteorites have a tremendous terestial age. If the earth is bombarded by
>> these meteorites throughout the aeons, then there should be a record, ie
>> evidence in the form of buried craters (see the Odessa,Tx crater) --
>> Approx
>> 100 to 110 feet deep that has been filled in till it is only 25 to 30
>> feet
>> deep now due to wind blown sand (mostly). I've got a pamplet of
>> "Occasional
>> Papers of the Strecker Museum" from Baylor University showing a neat
>> cross
>> section of the Odessa Crater.
>> How much investigation into the cross section structure of the sediment
>> layers, looking for evidence of craters has been done? Has there ever
>> been
>> an accidential discovery of a buried crater in a clift side. Lots of
>> these
>> erroded mesa exist out west. Maybe evidence is visable there.
>> Surely Valeria is not the only animal killer out there.
>> Maybe another animal drilled by a passing meteorite with the
>> coresponding
>> meteorite near the body. Maybe there's no body but the meteorite is
>> still
>> there buried in the deeper layers of sediment. Maybe tektites are the
>> only
>> surviving evidence.
>> In a nutshell, has there ever been a meteorite found at a depth of
>> sediment
>> that is plainly very old?
>> Pete
>>
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