[meteorite-list] Carancas crater...recovered amount

From: ensoramanda <ensoramanda_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:04:57 +0000
Message-ID: <47C73009.8090709_at_ntlworld.com>

According to the Bolivian mineral dealers several kilos went over the
border, much of which I was told was sold to someone in Japan. A lot is
still being sold out of Bolivia.

At the moment on ebay..some larger pieces.

Item number: 170197093360
Item number: 180212970860
Item number: 180199806156
Item number: 180210443310

Graham Ensor


Michael Farmer wrote:

>Tim, it is somewhere in the 10 kilo range, giv or take
>a kilo. Of the 10 kilos I know of, about 6 kilograms
>was fine dust in baggies. Hans Koser has this
>material, he was trying to sell it at the Tucson show.
>Moritz Karl and I bought the other ~3 kilos he had,
>and most of that is sold now. I have less than 400
>grams of material left for sale. Calr Esparza in
>Tucson got around 1.4 kilo with Bob Haag, I bought all
>of Bob's share from him.
>There is about a kilo in a museum in La Paz, Bolivia.
>So around 12 kilos is my estimate of total material
>recovered.
>Michael Farmer
>--- Tim Heitz <midwest at meteorman.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Has any one ever determined how much of was
>>recovered?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>>To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites at yahoo.com>; "Adam"
>><meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 12:55 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas crater
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Adam
>>>You told everyone on this list that Carancas was
>>>
>>>
>>not a
>>
>>
>>>crater, you have been proven wrong, I was proven
>>>
>>>
>>right
>>
>>
>>>with the papers in the news this week, I am merely
>>>clarifying that, nothing more.
>>>Now, what problem is it of mine that uneducated
>>>
>>>
>>idiots
>>
>>
>>>pissed in the crater? Does that ruin the event,
>>>
>>>
>>make
>>
>>
>>>it useless, wipe it from the history books? It was
>>>handled fine on my end, things just got bad when
>>>police tried to steal all of our money. What is
>>>
>>>
>>your
>>
>>
>>>advice, should I have gone to the president of
>>>
>>>
>>Peru?
>>
>>
>>>When you are in the crap, you make decisions on
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>spot, it is not as easy as sitting at your desk
>>>
>>>
>>and
>>
>>
>>>typing emails. The locals were nice, just poor
>>>
>>>
>>people
>>
>>
>>>who had no idea what was going on, the government
>>>
>>>
>>was
>>
>>
>>>inept and corrupt, and the police took advantage
>>>
>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>the situation to try and rob us, then the
>>>
>>>
>>proverbial
>>
>>
>>>crap hit the fan from all sides. Oh well, the
>>>
>>>
>>crater
>>
>>
>>>was studied, a tiny amount of the meteorite was
>>>
>>>
>>saved,
>>
>>
>>>and the rest, as they say, it history.
>>>Michael Farmer
>>>--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike and List,
>>>>
>>>>I conceded the point long ago that the term
>>>>
>>>>
>>crater
>>
>>
>>>>also applies to the Carancas event. I also
>>>>
>>>>
>>stated
>>
>>
>>>>that there are different types of craters and
>>>>
>>>>
>>this
>>
>>
>>>>one
>>>>falls into the impact pit category as was the
>>>>
>>>>
>>case
>>
>>
>>>>with the Sikhote Alin event. Some of the craters
>>>>(impact pits) left by Sikhote Alin were also
>>>>explosive
>>>>embedding pieces of the meteorite in trees and
>>>>
>>>>
>>yet
>>
>>
>>>>Ninninger, along with dozens of scientists
>>>>
>>>>
>>referred
>>
>>
>>>>to
>>>>them as impact pits. I admit the definition is
>>>>somewhat hazy is why I qualified the term with
>>>>
>>>>
>>"To
>>
>>
>>>>me,"
>>>>
>>>>My only problem with the Carancas thing is that
>>>>
>>>>
>>was
>>
>>
>>>>over-hyped from the beginning with much
>>>>misinformation
>>>>surrounding it. Then, no respect was given to the
>>>>occurrence and a circus soon followed. People
>>>>
>>>>
>>will
>>
>>
>>>>treat you the way you allow them, the same
>>>>
>>>>
>>applies
>>
>>
>>>>to
>>>>the Carancas event. Trash was thrown into the
>>>>impact
>>>>pit, people relieved themselves into it and greed
>>>>soon
>>>>became a problem. I think if the event was
>>>>
>>>>
>>handled
>>
>>
>>>>in
>>>>a more professional matter, I would not have a
>>>>problem
>>>>with it. The way it stands, I have zero respect
>>>>
>>>>
>>for
>>
>>
>>>>the way it was handled.
>>>>
>>>>The last from me on this,
>>>>
>>>>Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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